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Posted 05/04/2013   7:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PostmasterGS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here's an interesting one. What's so special about this stamp?

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Posted 05/04/2013   8:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 20M was never issued...do you own one of the 16, you sly dog?
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Posted 05/04/2013   8:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was never issued. But that's only part of what makes it special.

And no, I don't on one. If only...
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Posted 05/04/2013   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Must be some sort of reprint or nachdruck ? since the date at the bottom
looks like 1975
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Posted 05/04/2013   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is Saar D31. In Michel, there are some stamps that don't have a listed value because the publishers don't have enough info to set a value. But of the stamps that do have a listed catalog value...

This stamp has the highest CV in Michel's Germany Specialized catalog. MNH €250,000.
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Posted 05/04/2013   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is from a Dreyfus auction in June, 2011. I didn't check to see what it realized.

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SAAR
Lot 69

1920 : Bavaria 20 mark brown, overprinted "SARRE" and bars, a mint example of this great rarity with fresh and fine colour, slightest of diagonal bends not apparent on face and full unmounted original gum. A very rare stamp indeed, with just 15 recorded by the Saar ArGe. Signed twice by Dr. Dub. Certificate Herbert Ney (2005).
Cat. 31A

Est. 175 000 - 250 000

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Posted 05/04/2013   8:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So how does this explain the 1975 date?
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Posted 05/04/2013   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fotofila to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A German State Bavaria Scott type A12 ovwerprinted to be issued in Saar. It is not listed under Saar, but Scott notation says, "the 20M Type A12 was also overprinted in small quatities. It did not mention that it was unissued.
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Posted 05/04/2013   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
litho's guess might be right. The image in the 2011 catalogue has nothing at all in that location.
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Posted 05/04/2013   9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just for fun, here is the image from the 2011 catalogue:



I looked a bit for the auction results and didn't find it (except for the super rarities which sold at the same auction).
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Posted 05/04/2013   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Greaden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But why, or rather, how, was a Bavarian stamp overprinted for Saar, and using the French spelling? I realize that German geography was complicated, and occasionally topologically implausible, but this is pushing things.
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Posted 05/05/2013   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After World War I, France and the UK managed the Saar under a League of Nations mandate. Since stamps were needed for overprinting, and Bavaria was right next door, it doesn't seem too farfetched. I could imagine the victors taking what they needed.

[edit: Also, Bavaria's independent postal system ended March 31, 1920, so the stamps were superfluous at that point. All of this is subject to correction or clarification with better information.]
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Posted 05/05/2013   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a reproduction cut-out from a Miniature sheet given away in the Saar Auction Catalogue 108 by the Arnold Ebel auction house in Frankfurt.

Very nice and scarce item.
If you want a scan of the sheet, just holler.

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Posted 05/05/2013   02:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's funny. I pulled the image directly from Michel's electronic catalog software. I guess they cheated!
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Posted 05/05/2013   02:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


They cheated !
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Posted 05/05/2013   02:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The sheet was printed by a company in Kaiserslautern in 1975 . I have a date of 2.4.76 with question mark for the auction.
The year on the stamp reads 1976 not 1975 as suggested earlier.





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Edited by Londonbus1 - 05/05/2013 02:49 am
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