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If a country ordered, paid for, and accepted delivery of a stamp, but never got to issue it because of revolution or invasion, what are those classified as?
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I am not certain what the general classification would be, but, some of those stamps from revolutions that prevented an issue, are now considered 'cinderella' stamps.
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I think they'd be called unissued stamps, or at least that's what I've always thought of them as.
There is an example from Japan (pictured in the Japanese catalogs) from 1923, where the issue was never released because of the Tokyo (or Great Kant#333;) Earthquake. I believe it was never issued because virtually all of the stock was destroyed as part of the fires that devastated Tokyo and that region of Japan. In fact, an emergency series of 9 definitive stamps was issued the following month because of the loss of stamp stock in the post offices. (Scott 179-187)
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I have s set of stamps that were issued in WWII by Nazi Germany for use in occupied India. As Germany never fully overcame India, they were never issued. I guess those would fall into the same general category?
Edit: A little Googling shows that the Germany/India stamps are indeed considered Cinderella stamps. |
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I think it depends on the circumstances, but generally, I'd call this sort of stamp simply 'unissued'. For example, this Cochin stamp was unissued:  It was never officially released without a surcharge:  or without an overprint for official use  although copies of the 'unissued' stamp exist, and aren't too hard to find. (And they're mentioned, and priced, in a footnote in Gibbons.) |
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The specific stamps I am thinking of are the 1920-21 "Vienna Issue" from Ukraine. The stamps were printed in Vienna for the Ukrainian government but never issued. What I find annoying is that Scott mentions the stamps in the catalog as never issued, but does not assign them catalog numbers. Then they go on to talk about Ukrainian Field Post overprints created in preparation of the invasion of Ukraine in 1921, which never happened and the stamps were never released. These stamps DO get a Scott catalog number. Anyway, here's what the Vienna issue stamps look like:  |
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You or a Ukrainian stamp society should contact James E. Kloetzel, the editor and chief of Scott's stamp catalogs. |
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Confederate States #14 (not the nicest example, one day I'll upgrade)  Not a revolution or invasion, but the US Civil War. Delivery of the stamp from England (the only time a US stamp has been designed and printed off shore, I believe - though some would argue it's NOT a US stamp) was not the speadiest in 1862. The first shipment was confiscated by the Union. By the time replacements showed up in the South, the postal rate had gone up and these were never issued. |
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Canada printed a 52c and 90c rate stamp for the 1994 Christmas issue. These stamps were produced for a proposed rate increase that was postponed until a later date. A few of these 52c and 90c stamps somehow got out of the post office and into private hands. As they were out in collectors hands, Scott issued then numbers (1534ii and 1535ii). Here is the 52c one:  |
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Scott is the problem here. They are very inconsistent when it comes to non-US stamps. Some never-distributed stamps get a numbers, others get a footnote, others are not even mentioned. |
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It should be noted that Canada #1534ii (52¢) and 1535ii (90¢) do not appear in the Scott catalogue. The Unitrade Specialized Catalogue of Canadian Stamps explains in the introduction section that "all varieties appearing in this catalogue which are not listed in Scott's Standard Catalogue of Postage Stamps are identified by lower case Roman numerals." Scott has overlooked these two unissued stamps and Unitrade is the one identifying and numbering them for Canadian specialists. |
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This thread caused me to go back and review the catalog listing policy in my 2011 Scott Specialized (U.S.) -- in part, it reads: Quote:
It is the intent of Scott Publishing Co. to list all postage stamps of the world in the Scott Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue. The only strict criteria for listing is that stamps be decreed legal for postage by the issuing country and that the issuing country actually have an operating postal system....
It is Scott's objective to seek reasons why a stamp should be listed, rather than why it should not. Nevertheless, there are certain types of items that will not be listed. These include the following:
1. Unissued items that are not officially distributed or released by the issuing postal authority...Unissued items consist of those that have been printed and then held from sale for reasons such as change in government, errors found on stamps or something deemed objectionable about a stamp subject or design...
There are certain items that are subject to interpretation. When a stamp falls outside our specifications, it may be listed along with a cautionary footnote... There were six other criteria included in the "will not be listed" section but I was too lazy to type them in for this purpose. It seems clear from the stated listing policy, at least to me, why the two unissued Canada stamps were not listed by Scott. To answer Andy's initial question, Scott has classified those stamps (i.e., ordered, paid for, accepted delivery of, but not issued) as "unissued." |
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To answer Andy's initial question, Scott has classified those stamps (i.e., ordered, paid for, accepted delivery of, but not issued) as "unissued." They have. But the field post stamps are not only unissued. They were created by a government in exile in a foreign country, yet they still get catalog numbers. Then, of course, we have the issue of 2012 imperfs they refused to list, even though they are valid postage and are available for sale. If their criteria is that it needs to be available for sale to the general public, then they need to delist the Bill Pickett error and the imperf Looney Tunes sheets. I have similar issues with Scott and Ukrainian definitive Microprint varieties. They don't even acknowledge they exist. But all US Microprint varieties get Scott major catalog numbers. |
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Then, of course, we have the issue of 2012 imperfs they refused to list, even though they are valid postage and are available for sale. I won't try to rationalize the listing decisions of the Scott editorial board -- I simply tried to raise awareness of their articulated policy.  As to the 2012 imperfs, my assumption is that it falls under their "will not be listed" number 6: Quote:
Intentional varieties, such as imperforate stamps that look like their perforated counterparts and are usually issued in very small quantities... |
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I also have a copy of the 0.52$ unissued stamps from Canada, which doesn't seem that hard to get. The 0.90$ on the other hand, is seen less often. |
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