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Russia Postal Card To Danzig, 1882

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Posted 07/20/2013   12:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm slow with Cyrillic, so I haven't worked out where this card started from, but it ended up in Danzig. Probably not a rare destination, but it caught my eye.



I took a few stabs at the recipient, but Google didn't turn up anything for me other than possible dates of birth and death.

If anyone feels like translating the route before I take a stab at it, I wouldn't complain. Otherwise, I'll get around to it.

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Posted 07/20/2013   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is pretty tentative, but the right-most cancel appears to read "Pochtovy Car No. 27," perhaps a railroad [transit] marking. Pochtovy is now Seversk.
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Posted 07/20/2013   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll take tentative.

I've been meaning to get the Barefoot Russian postmark reference for quite a while, and I think it is the existence of the Russian railway reference, too, that has kept me from pulling the trigger.

I know, I know...get both. I'd like to see one, first, before committing to two.
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Posted 07/20/2013   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For plenty of Russian markings, go into Delcampe, where you may see specific reference books cited, with numbers.
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Posted 07/21/2013   01:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Yes,these are TPO/railway marks as Doug suggests.

"Pochtoviy Vagon" = Postal Wagon

The number following this is the route number. No. 27 is the route from Warsaw to Aleksandrów which fits nicely with Danzig as the destination.
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Posted 07/21/2013   01:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No. 30 is the route from Brest-Litovsk to Warsaw.
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Posted 07/21/2013   08:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to both of you.
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Posted 07/21/2013   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Cjd,

I use the Kiryushkin & Robinson "Russian Postmarks" (Barefoot) that you mentioned. Its subtitle is "An Introduction and Guide" which I think sums it up well. It doesn't try to be a detailed catalogue but I find it a very useful overview. It has 110 pages in all including 14 pages on railway postmarks and TPO route numbers.

I've not yet seen the Russian Railway reference that you mention. I'll look out for it.
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Posted 07/21/2013   10:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nigelc, the same guys put together Russian Railway Postmarks. Here is a description from Barefoot:

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2600 Russian railway postmarks are listed (and mostly illustratated) in this major study, with rarity guide, plus explanation of the travelling post office system, and maps of the routes. Sections cover Station postmarks, Numbered T.P.O.s (both oval and circular types, along with dates of use), un-numbered railway postmarks, postage due marks of the railway system, and non-railway VOKZHAL station postmarks.
Authors A.V.Kiryushkin and P.E.Robinson spent four years of research into archives in Russia and study of numerous collections in the West.
The 15 pages of maps will greatly assist the collector in working out the complex routes that letters often followed around the Russian Empire.
180 pages, card cover, A4 format, published 1994.


link: http://www.jbarefoot.co.uk/philatel...ostmarks.htm

I'm glad to hear that their general Russia volume contains as much railway/TPO information as it does. I'll think I'll start there.
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Nigel, thanks; I was puzzled over the tiny difference between Pochtovy and Pochtoviy, especially after I saw where Pochtovy was. I would not make a good spy, as my "contact" would be waiting, fuming, 2000 km away LOL LOL.
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Posted 07/21/2013   11:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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link: http://www.jbarefoot.co.uk/philatel...ostmarks.htm

I'm glad to hear that their general Russia volume contains as much railway/TPO information as it does. I'll think I'll start there.


Thanks cjd

I was vaguely aware of this book I've never seen the front ocver shown on the web site (or I've long since forgotten it!)

Thanks for bringing it back to my notice.

It's good to see too that the Russian Postmarks guide is still available and still at exactly the same price that I bought my copy for back in 1990.

I looked at this web site a few weeks ago and was delighted to see that John Barefoot has not published a revenue catalogue for Italy. I look forward to seeing that one some time.

All the best,
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Posted 07/21/2013   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They also just released a 2013 Telegraphs of the World catalogue, as a successor to Hiscocks. I'd say they are on a roll.

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Posted 07/21/2013   12:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm looking forward to seeing that one. Hiscocks did a great job creating his catalogue but i'm very glad it's being taken forward by an estblished publisher.
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Posted 07/21/2013   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Nigel, thanks; I was puzzled over the tiny difference between Pochtovy and Pochtoviy, especially after I saw where Pochtovy was. I would not make a good spy, as my "contact" would be waiting, fuming, 2000 km away LOL LOL.


I'm imagining you as a secret agent in disguise waiting in downtown Pochtovy...

How about this military secret? Imperial Russian Submarine "Pochtovy"


All the best,
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Posted 07/21/2013   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What the heck? Everyone afraid to get on board this little floating coffin??
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Well, just now I am working around a Polish Railroad Postmarks collection. The back of the card would say us the real city of origin, because the TPO postmark on the indicium is very faint (eventually can be discovered with Photoshop selctive filters). Then there are two others TPO cancellation with clear numbers and datestamp. So the second datestamp (if not the same like first) of 10th February is of Minsk-Warsaw route. The last of 11th February is of Warsaw-Aleksandrovo (today Aleksandrów Kujawski) mailcar route. Danzig arrival of 23th February (11th Febuary in Julian) is compliant with the railroad distances.
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