Where Is Yugoslavia, Or Is It Croatia Or Slavonia ?

Hi,
I've been a pain the last few days asking a lot of "help me" questions and I really wanted to lay off for awhile. BUT, I've got a problem finding where an identified stamp belongs in the Scott albums.

The stamp is a simple 1919 "allegory of freedom" stamp listed in the Scotts catalog under Yugoslavia. it is number 2L34 - 5f green.

While its listed under Yugoslavia in the catalog, there are references to Croatia, Slavonia, Bosnia/Herzegovina, etc.

It appears to belong to Croatia, but that country was not a stamp issuer per se at that time. And, Slavonia is also not listed in the Scotts part 1 album.

So my question is, where does this stamp belong?

Thanks all for your help and hopefully understanding!

Mobilman44

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Stamp is Yugoslav. The "countries" you cite; in quotes by me as they weren't really separate countries at that time; were forerunner entities of the soon-to-be-constituted Yugoslavia.

"I've been a pain the last........" On the other hand, I've always told my mountaineering students that the only dumb questions are the ones that aren't asked.

I couldn't tell you a darn thing about your stamp. However here is some short history on the subject.

Kingdom of Yugoslavia

Formed in 1918 immediately after World War I as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes by union of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs and the Kingdom of Serbia. It was commonly called at the time as "Versailles state". Later, the government renamed the country leading to the first official use of Yugoslavia in 1929.

Well, I'm glad to hear its "Yugoslav" and some of the history. But the part 1 Scotts Big Blue (1840-1940)does not show "Yugoslavia". Yet, there are apparently a "ton" of stamps issued by them for that classic time period.

Forgive my ignorance, but was the country known or cataloged under another name?

Maybe this will help you some???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postag...f_Yugoslavia

Here is another possible resource.

http://yugosg.org/

Hey, I found it........ DUH, the Scotts uses the J spelling - Jugoslavia. And of course I found the nice preprint of that stamp, right where it belongs.

Man, one can learn an awful lot of history (as well as geography) when you get into this hobby!

Thanks all!

Can we please kick into touch your mention of Slavonia, before people become confused. What you mean in this context is Slovenia. Slovenia, originally part of the Austrian Empire became part of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes(SHS) which was eventually renamed Yugoslavia. Slovenia was one of the areas which issued stamps in the early days of the SHS (roughly 1919-20).

Slavonia also exists, but has nothing to do with this conversation. Basically it is an area of eastern Croatia. No stamps were issued there. Because it is a predominantly ethnically Serb part of a geographically Croat area, it was the site of fierce fighting during the breakup of Yugoslavia in the early 1990s and was part of the short-lived RSK (Republic of the Serbian Border Area). During this period a number of ex-Yugoslav stamps were overprinted with inscriptions which include the word Slavonija - but these have no postal credibility.

Hi,

Slavonia does have some relevance here. While SG and Michel list these stamps simply as Croatian issues within the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, Scott lists them under "Croatia-Slavonia" (again within the KSCS).

There was a nominal "Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia" (or more formally the "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia") that existed under the Hungarian crown within the Austro-Hungarian Empire until 1918.

Nigelc - thank you for that information. As always, the ways of The One They Call Scott are inscrutable to me.

Here are some piccies of the 90s Slavonia overprints I mentioned:


Western Slavonia (stamps 2 and 3 in each row)


Eastern Slavonia (leftmost stamp only)

I must to iterfere with this shown overprints for Slavonia, Baranya etc on Yugoslavia stamps.
It is NOT issued by any entity or part of Yugoslavia, and it was (this overprints), made at the time of last civil war in Yugoslavia, by some private person, who just saw opportunity to do some profit.

The mentioned stamp Scott set # 2L32-2L41, was issued in 15. Jan. 1919, at the time, it was Kingdom of Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, (Kraljevina Srba, Hrvata I Slovenaca), and stamp was for use on Croatia territory.

Michel catalog list it under number 88-96. set of 10 values, but with sub numbers because exist variety in perforation!

Shown: Scott catalog # 2L34 from printing waste

Yes, that is waste from the printer, likely stolen by employees for resale to the collector market. There were a lot of shenanigans in those days...

billsey - You are probably correct, but this samples of printing waste, but I can say (and I have 35+ years experience with specializing in this territories), that samples as "waste/proof/pre-print checking, etc), come to the market at the time of destruction of Yugoslavia.
So, probably, as it was anarchy time, it was simply, taken out of warehouse.
I have few samples, as shifted perforation, partially perforated end so on.another one sample of 5.
All of samples, that was in my possession, come with certificate, and for my surprise, demand was big!