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Posted 10/04/2013   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add butterfly to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Found this in a kilo mix and don't know what to make of it.
Anyone know what was going on here?
I don't see it in Michel Deutschland-spezial either.
It looks like a German States (Bavaria) Scott #63a,(Wmk 95h), except that it is green instead of red and is overprinted "Vom Empfanger zahlbar" (from receiver payable).



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Posted 10/04/2013   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Butterfly. That is a Postage due stamp. Looks like an 10pf gray 1888 J13a printed on rose colour paper. I guess with that overprint it was used as a revenue stamp.

Belay that last bit. The over print is mentioned under postage due.
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Posted 10/04/2013   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add butterfly to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you James. Now that you point it out, I wonder, how did I ever miss that??
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Posted 03/04/2017   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Free gift from CJD
Thank you.

Hrzg albrecht.
Any information available at all?


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Edited by rod222 - 03/04/2017 1:16 pm
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Posted 03/04/2017   1:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting label.

These all seem to be German army leaders in the first world war.

This one is Albrecht, Duke of Wuerttemberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albre...%BCrttemberg

It's interesting to see General Karl Litzmann. When the Nazis invaded Poland in WW2 they renamed the city of Lodz as "Litzmannstadt" after him.
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Posted 03/04/2017   1:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Nigel,
any idea with "Fur's Fliegerheim" ?
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Posted 03/04/2017   1:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's basically: For the + Flyers + Home.

I guess it's to raise funds for an airmen's home/hostel/club or maybe for an airfield?
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Edited by nigelc - 03/04/2017 1:55 pm
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Rod,

As usual, first a little background.

After WWI, aviation was largely verboten in Germany. One of the casualties of this restriction was German aviation pioneer Hans Grade, who had previously run a flight school. Since he couldn't run a flight business, Grade went into real estate, opening a hotel and restaurant in Borkheide, a small village in Brandenburg. he named the hotel and restaurant Fliegerheim, or Flyer's Home.

In the period after WWI, a series of cinderellas were produced with the text "Für's Fliegerheim" and featuring aviation, military, and political figures from primarily Germany and Turkey. It's not clear if they were to benefit the hotel and restaurant, or the Borker Verkehrsverein, a local social organization for former German pilots which frequently met at the Fliegerheim.

All info and photos below are from Charles Kiddle's Poster Stamps / German Aviation / 'Zeppelins' or its companion volume Poster Stamps / German Aviation / German Aircraft. Photos open to large versions.

There were at least 7 series, and all were believed to have been issued in blocks of 20 (10 wide x 2 tall).


Kiddle WW28 Block


Kiddle WW31 Block


Kiddle WW49 Block


Kiddle WW70 Block


Kiddle WW91 Block


Kiddle WW91b individual stamps

The rarest of the blocks is this one of slightly different design.


Kiddle WW112 Block of 10

Kiddle notes that he himself had never seen it in a full block of 20, so the exact composition of the Block of 20 was unknown to him. He speculates that the other half was this block of 10.


Possible other half to Kiddle WW112

Your single cinderella catalogs as Kiddle WW72, with a rarity of '10', which means its pretty common.

Also, the Fliegerheim is still an operating hotel and restaurant -- Filegerheim.
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Edited by PostmasterGS - 03/04/2017 2:28 pm
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Posted 03/04/2017   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ,I need to change my information on these stamps ,I wrote them up years ago from a website but the information was inaccurate .
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Posted 03/04/2017   2:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for sharing these PostmasterGS.

There's a lot of history brought together in these blocks.

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Posted 03/04/2017   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Once again, Postmaster, you have blown us all out of the water.
Fabulous response and knowledge.

See my post on Worldwide collecting, your response shall be
offered alongside my lonely singleton stamp.


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After WWI, aviation was largely verboten in Germany.


I find this rather amazing, I would have though absolutely the opposite.
They must have had a very quick turnaround.

Charles Kiddle must have been some sort of collector, if I recall, he catalogued all the Delandres Poster stamps as well.
His Catalogue is still on my "wish list"




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Posted 03/04/2017   2:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
floortrader,

Please post it and I'll do my best to translate it.
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Posted 03/04/2017   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floortrader,

I can almost guarantee my info isn't 100% accurate. Kiddle lists the stamps but not the background. The rest is me compiling info form various corners of the Internet and filling in a few blanks, so there are bound to be some errors.
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Posted 03/04/2017   3:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Charles Kiddle must have been some sort of collector, if I recall, he catalogued all the Delandres Poster stamps as well.
His Catalogue is still on my "wish list"


No kidding. Considering that it's almost impossible to assemble a catalog of unofficial and privately-printed stamps without collecting them en masse, he must have never passed on a cinderella!

AFAIK, he's published about 30 different catalogs. I haven't ben able to find a consolidated list since his website went belly-up about a year ago. I only own 4 -- Zeppelins, German Aircraft, Balloons, and World War I. Here's a website that appears to have 23 of them for sale.
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Floortrader,

Any chance you can e-mail me a high-res scan of that? The old font is a pain, and I need to blow it up pretty large.

E-mail address is postmaster --at- my website name.
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