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#832 US $1 Wilson....error? Really???

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Posted 11/24/2013   7:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kevin504 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...151173062077
Had contact with seller....he/she thinks this item will get a good cert.....
Lets get a few comments and I will notify the seller to view this site...
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Posted 11/24/2013   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's an obvious color changling, from violet to blue due to some chemical action. If it gets sent in for a cert they will put it under UV, see evidence of the alteration and give it a bad cert. Putting it in for a cert is just a waste of money.
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Posted 11/25/2013   08:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just sent seller a message. I tried to be diplomatic about the stamp. Let's see if I get a reply. It does irritate me to think that some one out there might believe that this is a rare error and get fleeced.
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Posted 11/25/2013   09:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It can't be a missing magenta color? right. All of mine seem to be a consistent purple with no signs of 2 separate colors printed on them. I've recently seen another one like that put on the forum with a question about it. Presently looking for that thread. Gary
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Posted 11/25/2013   10:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TinMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks more like the color has been washed out in the soaking process. Just my 2 cents. It certainly is not worth $85.00 I don't know where he came up with that astronomical figure. Again just my 2 cents.
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Edited by TinMan - 11/25/2013 10:15 am
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Posted 11/25/2013   12:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just had a reply to my message. He stated that he know full well what it was because he had already had one certified. I still don't believe it.
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Posted 11/25/2013   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I Brake For Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Strange. Scott lists no variety that looks like that. His feedback rating seems pretty good for him to be a ripoff artist. Scott recognizes no such stamp which looks like that so what variety is he expecting a certification for?


-IBFS
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Posted 11/25/2013   3:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TinMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just went to his listing and this is what I found.
"Quote
"This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing". Unquote"

So either he found out he had made a mistake or it was getting too hot in the kitchen.
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Edited by TinMan - 11/25/2013 6:25 pm
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Posted 11/25/2013   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DuncanDoenitz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seller says "...missing magenta that makes the legend and value purple".

That could describe modern stamps printed using four-color process printing, but that's not how #832 was printed. It's an engraved stamp, with a plate for the black portrait and another to print the purple border.

Huge batches of ink would be mixed for each color, with ink supplied to the press as needed, and there would be no way for a small amount of stamps to be printed in a different color - the seller suggests "at least a pane or portion exists". No blending or mixing took place at the printing press to achieve a color.

Now, with modern stamps, a fount could run dry of ink, or a fold or stray piece of paper could interfere with the printing process, and a color COULD be omitted, and examples can easily be found for sale on ebay.

But this stamp could not have resulted from "missing magenta".

Hard to tell from the auction photo, but it has a bleached appearance - there seems to be a bleed of red pigment into the paper, and the postmark looks washed out too.

Not everything gets listed in the Scott catalog, but a #832 printed in blue would have a major listing.

It is possible to get a certificate for #832c, which was a color variety created in 1954, printed in red violet and black instead of the original purple and black, but - big deal. Because, as mentioned, the colors were blended in huge batches, the color variety is common, and was valued at $6.00 in Scott Specialized (2010) in mint condition, $1.00 less than the original variety. And Used, both show a catalog value of the minimum, 20c.

I'm just saying...

-Dunc

PS: I see the seller ended the listing.
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Posted 11/25/2013   5:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the other items he's selling, especially the 32 cent rose booklet back panel. Its the back panel of the booklet telling you to re-order a new booklet. This is not a stamp. Just a picture of it. Gary
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Posted 11/25/2013   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seller sent me another email stating he has gotten a clean cert on these before....
Told him I would love to see it.
Waiting patiently here.....
(It will never come)
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Posted 11/25/2013   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tbirdfour to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

Look at the other items he's selling, especially the 32 cent rose booklet back panel. Its the back panel of the booklet telling you to re-order a new booklet. This is not a stamp. Just a picture of it.


It even states "This block is not valid postage".
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Posted 11/25/2013   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TinMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Didn't you read my post Five posts up. He pulled this from the market three hours ago.
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Posted 11/25/2013   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is actually 2 things TinMan. The 1938 Wilson and the fine imperf no gum 32 cent rose stamp, in his "other items for sale". The rose stamp is still listed..Gary
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Posted 11/25/2013   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't miss out on his 1612 error, quite a bargain at $199

http://www.ebay.com/itm/usa-used-5-...em565e5ae87f
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Posted 11/25/2013   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Geez, I forgot about that one.
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