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#832 US $1 Wilson....error? Really???

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Posted 11/26/2013   07:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a changeling and nothing more. Chemically or atmospherically altered. It will never get a cert.
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Posted 11/26/2013   08:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would hate to be in an atmosphere that could cause that to happen!
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Posted 11/26/2013   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Received another reply from seller....
I asked to see previous cert....
he replied....it is a APS cert....he will look for it....
still waiting.....
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Posted 11/26/2013   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TinMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin Don't hold your breath.
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Posted 11/26/2013   11:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think he probably misread the cert....
It would say..."submitted as"....and the further down would
read the actual examination.
Oh well...I know.

The forum was slow the other day...thus my post on this item.
Looks to be entertaining.....
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Posted 11/29/2013   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add john.petrucelli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...151173062077
Had contact with seller....he/she thinks this item will get a good cert.....
Lets get a few comments and I will notify the seller to view this site...


That particular stamp has been listed for a least the past 9 months . First as $18 , $29 and then $85 . It appears to me to be what you all stated . Over the past year and a half , I have contacted many seller who describe line pairs , blocks , cross blocks / pairs , arrow blocks and gutter pair incorrectly . I think they are " estate sellers " and 98% are receptive to being corrected . They are grateful and thankful for the information . At least thats my experience .
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Posted 11/29/2013   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
john.petrucelli.....maybe 98% are receptive to being corrected,
he/she is in the 2% zone.
Wonder what made the price to keep going up??
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Posted 08/22/2017   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampski to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have one of these #832 $1 Wilson with blue ink too. What kind of chemical reaction could have caused the ink color change? It has been in my collection for many years so I do not remember where I got it. I inherited a bunch of stamps back in the early 60's. I can provide a picture if anyone is interested.
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Posted 08/22/2017   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Given purple/violet pigment is comprised of red and blue, the would
be some conceivability to loss of red pigment by over-exposure to
strong light/sunlight with a net result of a bluish color... that,
of course, does not preclude the possibility of chemical alteration...
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Posted 08/22/2017   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampski to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I find it strange that this would be he only stamp in my collection that changed colors.
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Posted 08/22/2017   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Stampski, and welcome to the forum. Not wanting to rain on your parade, but blue ones have never been printed or issued. The stamp you have is a changeling, and a pretty one. The color red is one of the first to flee under certain circumstances, and that leaves blue. Notice that even the paper has changed tint!

Peter
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Posted 08/22/2017   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are three varieties of the $1 purple and black Wilson

832 purple and black .15
832a Vertical pair imperf between $1500
832b Watermarked USIR $70.00
832c red violet and black .15

I would imagine that the 466.66% premium for the USIR paper would still be applicable.
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Edited by littleriverphil - 08/22/2017 6:36 pm
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Posted 08/22/2017   6:38 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at this set, you'll see a good example of the green-blue colour changeling, in this case the 1/2d green from the Queen Victoria Jubilee series.

https://picclick.co.uk/Queen-Victor...2655979.html
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Posted 08/22/2017   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampski to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh well! I am not saying I have a rare misprint or I don't. I just find it odd that there are 309,426,788 from 1938 and another 400,000 printed in 1951 and only a few (who knows how many) have turned blue. As we know only a few were accidentally printed on USIR-watermarked paper. If it was possible to make that mistake it seems possible that a full sheet or two could have been printed with blue ink. I will just be happy that I have it in my collection and consider it an oddity. If we talk about it more maybe more will turn up. I wish I had an 832b in my collection. Don't you wish you had an 832c blue in your collection. LOL Who knows how many 832b are out there but just maybe there are even fewer 832c blue out there.
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Posted 08/22/2017   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, it is a damaged stamp.

To change the odds you would first have to find mint copies of a new, unknown color, not used ones. Then you would have to find more than one stamp (since there would have to be at least a full sheet produced). Then and most importantly, you would have to submit it for a certification where they would look for any chemical changes that might have caused the color change. If it gets a cert then you beat the odds.

It is fine to leave in your album but you should pencil in that it is a damaged stamp. This prevents anyone else from thinking it is something it is not; this is important if you go to sell your collection. If it is not marked correctly, some buyers will avoid the entire album assuming there are other misidentified stamps.
Don
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