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Belgium Stamp With WWII German Cross Cancel?

 
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Posted 01/11/2014   2:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Trainwreck to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have this Belgium Leopold III definitive (Scott 311, issued 1941) with an interesting partial cancel. The cancel seems to depict a German military cross.



Similar crosses were painted on German military vehicles and aircraft during the Second World War.




Is this a German military postmark of some sort? I can't decipher the remaining portion of the cancellation. Can anybody provide any information on this cancel?

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Robert
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Posted 01/11/2014   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tinus_NL to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. But were stamps depicting the Belgian king still allowed during the time of German occupation? I know here in the Netherlands stamps depicting the Royal Family were banned in the war years by the German occupation forces.

Another thing: I have never seen the German military cross on a cancel before (which is not to say they don't exist of course). Would make more sense for military postmarks to be on German 'Feldpost' stamps, and not on stamps of an occupied country/territory.

Sorry, no definite answer for you, but an interesting discussion nonetheless.
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Posted 01/11/2014   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Interesting. But were stamps depicting the Belgian king still allowed during the time of German occupation? I know here in the Netherlands stamps depicting the Royal Family were banned in the war years by the German occupation forces.


Of course they must have been allowed since new stamps
portraying King Leopold III were issued throughout the war/occupation
in 1941, 1943.Just look in a catalogue.

Maybe it had to do with the fact that the entire
Dutch Royal House fled the country whereas the Belgians
remained with their people.
The king was finally deported to Germany in June 1944.

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Posted 01/11/2014   9:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your responses.

My knowledge of WWII German military postmarks is essentially...nil. Does seem odd to me though.

There is an area of World War II philately that I have been researching a bit in the last year. I'm trying to compile a list of stamps that were issued by the governments of German-occupied countries that are not classified as "occupation" stamps (per the Scott catalog). The above stamp is an example: issued in 1941 when Belgium was under German occupation, but included with the main stamp listings in the catalog. There are a number of European countries that issued quasi-occupation stamps, for example, Albania, Greece, Netherlands, Norway and Denmark.

Robert
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Posted 01/11/2014   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have access to my cancel literature, but...

I think the top line of text is the tail end of "lotterie", which would be the German spelling as opposed to Dutch or French that you would expect to see on cancels from all but a small portion of Belgium.
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I had to laugh when I read how many synonyms the quasi in quasi-occupation stamps were available.
supposedly, seemingly, apparently, allegedly, ostensibly, on the face of it, on the surface, to all intents and purposes, outwardly, superficially, purportedly, nominally;

Anyway good luck in your research you seem to having fun
with stamps and learning history in the same time.

BTW, I don't think Albania fits in with the other countries
you mentioned.
Albania was an Italian protectorate and used stamps with
Italian King Victor Emanuel III on them as if to remind the
Albanians he was their king too.

I never saw any stamps of occupied Greece, Netherlands, Norway or Denmark with Hitler on them.
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Posted 01/11/2014   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My notes indicate Albania was under German administration from September 1943 (Italy surrendered to the Allies this month) until November 1944. Albania did issue stamps under German administration, but Scott does not classify them as occupation stamps.


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I never saw any stamps of occupied Greece, Netherlands, Norway or Denmark with Hitler on them.

Neither have I.

Robert
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Robert of course you are totally correct.

I forgot that the Italians had had enough by 1943.
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Posted 01/12/2014   03:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Timm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is probably a common war cancel since Belgium was occupied by Germany from May 1940 until liberation started by the allies from September 1944 through February 1945, depending what part of Belgium.
I've seen several similar cancels before.
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Posted 01/12/2014   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After browsing several hundred Belgium covers on Delcampe, I found this:



Seems to be a commemorative cancel of some sort, but can't make out the inscriptions.

Robert
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Posted 12/12/2017   12:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert,

I was browsing on Delcampe and spotted a cancel that made me think of this thread. It's a 1951 version of that cancel, and it's more legible.



As you can see, it's from Leuze, Belgium, and says "CENTRE DE BONNETERIE / CENTRUM VAN BREIGOED".
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Posted 12/12/2017   03:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen these before,
I regarded them as just "Fleurons" or "Devices" or similar, in the manufacture of the CDS.

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Edited by rod222 - 12/12/2017 03:12 am
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Posted 12/12/2017   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your help. Now I have to remember where I put the stamp so that I can include a label with this information.

Robert
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It's also staring at you every time you go to Youtube

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