White Ace US Numbers

I'm getting back to collecting mint and used US after 20 years of having them sit in storage. I bought ***Removed *** software to catalog them. Is there a way to cross reference the White Ace numbers to Scotts? Thanks, Al

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I was not aware that Washington Square press (White Ace) had created its own catalog numbers for its illustrations. I am aware that many years ago, Jacques Minkus had developed a competing numbering system as an alternative to Scott (to avoid paying royalties to Scott for its albums and catalogs). Is it possible that White Ace used the Minkus numbers (which are now defunct as far as I know)?

If you do not have a Scott listing to use for comparison (in your software?) perhaps you could tell us what number your album uses for a couple of "benchmark" stamps, like the 1c Pan American of 1901, the 10c Mark Twain Famous American of 1940, the 6c airmail of 1918 or one of the Graf Zeppelin issues. If those use Minkus numbers then you can search online for a translation guide. Otherwise you may need to decode the numbers for each class of stamps, or create a field for the White Ace numbers in your database.

I have some recently purchased White Ace B.O.B. pages and there is no apparent numbering system used. In those cases (Confederates, for exampe) the conversion to Scott numbers is relatively easy, though the pages do not necessary have them in Scott order oddly enough. John S.

The Gibbons, Yvert and Michel catalogs use different arrangements for numbering regular and special-purpose types, and attach different importance to variations in paper, perforation, watermark and other types. Because of its commercial importance the publishers of the Scott Catalogue claim copyright on their numbering systems, and grant only limited licences for their use by others. The inconsistency with which Scott enforced these licences resulted in a lawsuit by Krause Publications (publishers of the Minkus Catalogue) for copyright infringement. After Krause filed a defence the suit was settled out of court, and Krause continued to reference the Scott numbers. It has been speculated that Scott was not successful Attempts by other philatelists to establish an alternative have mostly not yet been successful altought I feel the UPSS has created a very good working system for postal stationery & postal cards.

I have a similar question here. In most cases, it is obvious which Scott number applies to a particular spot in a White Ace U.S. album. But in a few cases -- such as a couple of stamps in the Fourth Bureau Issue -- it would be nice to double check.

Is there a list anywhere that compares White Ace numbers to Scott?

As I recall, the Washington Press did not number the stamps in all of their U.S. albums ... only the regular issues album. No numbers on the commemorative album pages. If you can't find the info elsewhere, I do have White Ace numbers 1 thru 917 stored in a spreadsheet along with their associated Scott numbers. This covers the regular issues up to 1933. After that point, I quit storing the White Ace numbers, but I do have all the pages thru the 2015 issues identified with Scott numbers. If you think this would be useful, let me know.
Also, are we talking about the same album pages? I use the regular singles complete pages. Also note that on my album pages, some items are not numbered (e.g., booklet panes).

If the numbers were Minkus numbers, there was a cross reference published by Krause. Initially it was in the back of their catalogue and later in a separate document.

If you have an example, I can look it up since I have an old Krause-Minkus catalogue/

To angore: I'm not sure if these are Minkus numbers. (I tossed my old Minkus pages after moving my stamps into this White Ace album.)

For JLLebbert: Yes, I'm referring to the numbers in the U.S. regular issues album. Two stamps that have me a bit puzzled are:

• White Ace 823 - I fear this may be Scott 594, the 1 cent Franklin made of coil waste that catalogs at $35,000.


• White Ace 860 - This is probably Scott 634A, the Type II 2 cent Washington that is a rotary press print and 11 x 10.5, but I'm not 100 percent certain.

What do you think? Have I made the right calls here?

(I'd sure love to be wrong about that 1 cent Franklin; I don't have a money tree in my backyard!)

I have the Numbering Chart for converting White Ace Numbers to Scott Catalog Numbers and you are right.


White Ace 823 is Scott 594
White Ace 860 is 634A

Well, I cannot find my Minkus catalogue. I may have tossed it too.

Regular issue were numbered 1,2,3 and commemoratives were CM1, CM2, CM3. etc.

I did have some old Stamp Collector issues and Minkus 1227 was Scott 3045.

Brownstown: I agree with both of your numbers. As for the 594, go for a used copy as it runs only $11K. In my album, that spot will forever remain empty ... as will pages 16 and 18 (some of the early reissues). Number 180 on page 18 is worse than your 594 example ... it is Scott 194 which catalogues at a mere $135K.

Only $11,000? I'll check under the seat cushions of my couch!




Yikes. I expect that I will have many of the same gaps.

Jokes aside, I am pleased with this White Ace album. The pages seem well designed and on quality paper. No regrets.

Thanks for the look, JLLebbert (and Paul Mitchell!).

How can I get a copy of the excel spreadsheet that lists the Scott numbers for the White Ace pages? I tried emailing but the system would not allow me to send an email. I need the numbers for both the commemorative and regular issue complete sets. Thanks!

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Don

I don't have 50 posts so I can't help you via e-mail. The Numbering Chart to convert White Ace to Scott is from The Washington Press in Florham Park, New Jersey at 877-966-0001. I don't have a chart for commemoratives and I don't know if they made one but I do have the chart for regular issues.

Found their website but couldn't find the numbering chart being discussed..

https://www.washpress.com/white_ace...um_pages.jsp