Scott #389 Orangeburg. Anyone Have One?

First time I read about these I went diving into my albums and stock books pulling all the coil stamps with wavy line cancels.

http://www.philatelicfoundation.org...oil-of-1911/

Well don't get too excited quite yet stampcrow. This pretty much sums it up -
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"To date virtually all used examples certified as genuine have a distinctive wavy-line machine cancellation, normally used on first class mail. The correct first class mail rate in 1911 was 2 cents, and the stamp typically used was the 2-cent carmine stamp. Therefore, few 3-cent stamps would have received this kind of cancellation. However, the two certified used strips of three have the circular date stamp of Orangeburg, N.Y. These two strips were probably used on packages that could not pass through the first class canceling machine."

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very very rare but I guess you won't find one if you never look huh?

Are they the only 3 cent coil with perforation 12 vertically? Are they forged from other 3 cents perforated 12 with horizontal perforations trimmed or 3 cent imperforates fake perforated 12 vertically?

The only p12 3c coil. Usually faked by trimming perfs off p12 stamps. Fakes from imperforates would have the wrong watermark.

LOL I_Love_Stamps...I should have added that alas none of mine seem to fit the bill

For anyone not familiar with the background behind the Orangeburg Coil, this explains it a bit further than the initial link does:

http://arago.si.edu/index.asp?con=4...238&slide=18

http://siegelauctions.com/enc/orangeburg.htm

Hi stampcrow,

are you looking for this?



I know, it must be on single-line watermarked paper.
- really not easy to discover it for me

I know, certificate is mandatory.
- hopefully one day I will be sure how to send a stamp and obtain a certificate.

But anyway, it is nice to have it and belive that this is the real #389.

Jingi, your stamp looks like an offset printing not a flat plate.

edit: oops.....

Stampcrow, that makes me ask a question. Do both offset and flat plate printings exhibit joint lines?

Peter

Joint lines only exist on coil stamps, and there are no offset-printed coil stamps, thus no joint lines. They *DO* have guide lines as they are all sheet stamps. As do flat plate printed stamps.

Jingi's example is a flat plate-printed stamp and looks plausible. He needs to get it to an expert service. Very often only a tiny portion of a single line watermark is present, and since there is no flat plate 3c imperf with a single line watermark, fakes can only reasonably be made from cutting perfs off the corresponding sheet stamp, but since the sheets were cut apart at the guide lines of perforated stamps, any guide line would be present only at a straightedge (where they were cut). If I owned that stamp, I would not be able to get it to an expert service fast enough!

Wow bill weiss, With that comment, I, too would not get it expertized fast enough. The 389 is one of those legendary W/F's that we who love them lust after. I know that if I had one, I would not be able to keep it. My finances would require that it be sold, but for the brief time I could own it, I would be in stamp heaven.

Are you saying that the left side with the guide line being perforated (if legitimately perforated) may help to potentially prove it to be a coil stamp since sheet stamps have a straight edge there?

It's certainly evidence in favor of it being authentic!

If yours is authentic, you have one of the finest copies in existence (assuming it is sound).

Here's a link to Siegel's auction records. If you take a look at the prices realized, VF copies are uncommon and have sold for up to 250% of cat!

https://www.siegelauctions.com/lot_...tFirst=First

Brian

I'm not sure I understand this. If you don't have one I can see how one's financnes might preclude getting one. But if you do have one, I don't see how one's finances might preclude keeping it. I understand that one might wish to cash in on the rare stamp to use the funds for other things one might wish to have, but that is a matter of preference, not a requirement of one's finances. On the other hand, if the mortgage/rent is overdue and you have to cash in to keep your furniture off the street, then your collecting altogether is being challenged.

So either you are saying that you need to sell your stamps (which I get) or you are saying that having a really rare stamp in your collection is not a priority. That is a matter of preference, not finances I think.

That said, I do understand that for some people, maybe a great many, a large part of the thrill of this hobby is the treasure hunting aspect. It's not so much love of the material, as it is a hope for making a big strike.

Different strokes, I guess.

If I found a stamp worth a thousand dollars, I would likely keep it, assuming it's in a country I collect. If I found one worth tens of thousands, I'd sell it in a heartbeat, even if it was from an area I collect. $1000 would be handy, but wouldn't make a huge difference in my life, $10K+ would go a long way toward more pressing needs. Those numbers are just examples, but if I'm weighing out fixing up the house or keeping a rare stamp, I know which one is going to win out.

If I were to be lucky enough to obtain a stamp of that value, I think it would have to come down to lose the stamp or lose the wife. And, the way my wife feels about stamp collecting, if she knew I had it....