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Query - Reason For 2¢ Postage Due On Postcard

 
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Posted 04/19/2014   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jamesw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all. I received this postcard as part of a package purchased a few months ago. I'm just putting some album pages together, and I got to wondering about the postage due. The rate for a post card surface mail from Canada to the US in 1907 was 1¢ (according to Canada, Domestic and International Postal Rates and Fees 1870-1999).
Can anyone explain to me the need for the extra 2¢? Has it got to do with the RPO cancel (NY & CHI RPO)? Did rail post add an extra charge?

I did just notice that the Canadian stamp is not cancelled in a Canadian post office (the image on the front is the Montreal Pace Viger CP Hotel and Station). Since the RPO is an American railroad, I wonder if when received in Hudson NY, it was assumed that an American stamp should have covered the postage, and so 2¢ postage due (double deficiency) was added. Possible?

Thanks for your help.
James



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United States
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Posted 04/19/2014   10:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As it was being carried by a human being on a train, perhaps s/he intended to post it in Canada, but only later dropped it in a box in the USA?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 04/21/2014   08:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess that it was considered as if it was sent with no stamp on it since it was sent in the U.S. with no U.S. stamp on it. Thus, it was 1 cent for the regular missing stamp and 1 cent for a penalty for the missing stamp which made it 2 cents postage due.
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United States
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Posted 04/21/2014   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe I have seen this card before? I'm actually curious about this also!
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Canada
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Posted 04/21/2014   4:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CanadaStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Someone taking the train from Montreal to New York posted it on the train assuming that was appropriate - turns out it was not. Mail processed at run end, not before or during. My 2 cents.
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United States
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Posted 04/21/2014   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Whoever the addressee was, it looks as if he or she could have easily afforded the 2-cents postage due. It seems that 230 Allen Street, Hudson, NY is a pretty nice 1880s era house that looks quite nice even today!

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...997471_zpid/
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United States
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Posted 04/21/2014   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a lot of space in that house. Probably enough for a room set aside just for stamp collecting.

Given the NY- Chicago RPO postmark, I'm thinking that card was carried by the correspondent all the way to NYC and then posted in a rail station, the collection box was picked up by a railway mail clerk on the NY-Chicago RPO, the card postmarked and put off as soon as possible to get it to its destination in Hudson north of NYC. I doubt that the NY - Chicago RPO route would have gone that far north. The 2c due would have been applied and collected by the Hudson PO.

Don
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Posted 04/23/2014   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love this card, very interesting.

Could we see the front? I'm curious because it has no note on it, so I'm wondering if this was truly a personal note or a philatelic item (ie hypothesis testing: R Kane writing to himself, posting it with a Canadian stamp, dropped into a US mailbox, and paying the 2 cents when he got home)

It cool and valuable not matter what. (And please don't float off the stamps...keep it intact)
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Canada
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Posted 05/11/2015   10:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revisiting this card a year later.
Still curious as to it's story. Some interesting theories here.

And here's the view from the front. Sorry for being so tardy.



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New Zealand
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Posted 05/19/2015   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jamesrw,

thanks for circling back. it is a beautiful card, and I think pretty special. not philatelic and a great postal history example.

it might be worth researching in more detail with an expert but my hypothesis from above is that this was dropped into the mail on a train in the US with a canadian stamp...and the US postal side assessed the 1cent and 1 cent penalty...
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