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Scott #196 - What Kind Of Water Mark Is This..?

 
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Posted 04/26/2014   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys..Was looking at this Scott #196 Mint stamp..Could not figure out the back..There are vertical lines as you can see on the picture, but also where the arrows are, there is horizontal lines going across the stamp.....Any help would be appreciated...Thanks.




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Posted 04/26/2014   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it gum breaks?
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Posted 04/26/2014   6:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi stampcrow...I just took another look with my 10X and the gum is very, very fresh and there seems to be no breaks/cracks in the gum at all..strange...??

P.S. - if you are referring to the horizontal lines..??
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Edited by wert - 04/26/2014 6:17 pm
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Posted 04/26/2014   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add serious collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The horizontal lines are the result of so called "ribbed paper". The paper being passed between rigid rollers.
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They are horizontal gum breaker lines that are around 5-5.5 mm apart from each other. They were applied to rotary press stamps to prevent them from curling. The vertical lines are from the rollers that applied the gum to the back. See: https://goscf.com/t/35011&SearchTerms=rotary,press
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Edited by jogil - 04/26/2014 7:07 pm
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To the best of my knowledge, I don't think it is 'ribbed paper' but, more the result of gum being applied to the stamps. Some sheets of stamps were fed vertically, and, others horizontally. By mentioning 'gum breaks', we are not referring to a defect, but, more of a gumming process and the gum breaks were the end result.

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KG V Arch/Leaf Issue #169 was printed on a RP (rotary press)which looks like the original pic posted by Wert. The other #169a was printed on a flat press.

Sheets printed on a rotary press tend to curl and are passed through a series of fracturing rollers to break up the gum crystals thus stopping the curing.

Bujutsu and Jogil you were right nothing to do with ribbed paper.
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There have been some new articles recently on this in BNAPS BNA Topics (Volume 70, Number 4) and RPSC The Canadian Philatelist (Volume 65, Number 2) which are both very helpful.
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Edited by jogil - 04/28/2014 07:08 am
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As has been stated by several people here, the back looks like this due to the printing and gumming process (rotary press). There are plenty of articles written on the US stamps from this era that are really helpful. Here is a helpful article ...

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http://www.1847usa.com/GumBreakers.htm
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Edited by Rileysan - 04/28/2014 09:53 am
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Posted 04/28/2014   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rileysan...Thanks for the link.
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From the above link, it looks like the Canadian Stickney rotary press stamps have U.S. Type I gum breakers which are 5.5 mm apart.
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Posted 04/28/2014   12:02 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the article -


Quote:
There are many experimental gum breaker types other than the three noted here. In the 1948 issue of The Bureau Specialist, Durland writes, "I have before me nine different breaker varieties on that stamp alone the 1922 2¢ rotary stamp and they were taken from a comparatively small number of blocks." Sloane wrote about a block of the twenty cent Special Delivery stamp with breakers running in both directions.


I am not sure how many of these apply to Canada stamps or if the US BEP even shared this technology with the British American Banknote Company. It's possible this technology was developed independently of the US BEP.

I have no doubt that there are people out there that collect the different types of experimental gum breakers. Thankfully there are no catalogues available that specify and price the different types (that I am aware of). I would hate to collect any more varities of Washington/Franklins than already identified by Scott!

Brian
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Edited by Rileysan - 04/28/2014 12:03 pm
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Posted 04/28/2014   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rileysan...I would imagine that the printing technology for both Canada and the States back in the 30's would have been maybe dictated by English inventions..Presses and techniques I mean..Just a thought
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