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US #65 On Cover From "1813" - Another Fun Ebay Lot

 
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Posted 05/01/2014   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add smauggie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a #65 on cover from 1813. Time machines really do exist!



http://www.ebay.com/itm/64-THREE-CE..._3816wt_1318

Or, more likely, it was 1873.
And maybe this major ebay stamp dealer had a signficant other list the item whose philatelic knowledge was extremely limited.
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Posted 05/01/2014   4:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it includes a letter from 1813 that was remailed after the Civil War!
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Posted 05/01/2014   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You such a hopeful person Mr. Warrehouse.
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Posted 05/01/2014   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like someone tried to make a tired old cover a bit more interesting.
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Posted 05/02/2014   12:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's an older style of cursive so it was done a long time ago but any collector should know better than that!
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Posted 05/02/2014   12:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamp Mole to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This sure seems a curious item, but I don't have reason to believe that the seller is intentionally trying to be deceitful.

I looked at the image of the letter on the ebay posting, and it does indeed appear to be dated "Feb 23rd 1813".

On closer examination of the penmanship, however, you can notice that the single stroke of the first digit in the year (the "1") is near vertical, but the single stroke of the third digit is not parallel to the first; instead, it is at a 30 degree angle and has a wide margin away from the top of the "8" to it's left.

It appears more likely that the third digit in the year is a "7" without a clear top bar, and that the date was intended to be written as "Feb 23rd 1873," which would be more consistent with an envelope with a postage stamp.

Nonetheless, I remain puzzled because if the letter were sent in 1873, wouldn't it be somewhat unusual to be franked with a possibly 10+ year old stamp, like Scott 65?

Wouldn't you more likely see an 1873 envelope franked with either Scott 88 or 94? But I don't see any evidence of a grill on the stamp as shown, so it must be Scott 65.

And another puzzle: the CDS reads "Three Oaks, Mich, Nov. 2". Why would a letter dated in February be in an envelope with a November CDS?

Just my thoughts (and more questions) on the subject.

Kevin
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Posted 05/02/2014   01:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Zuzu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think the handwriting on the letter matches the handwriting on the envelope.
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Posted 05/02/2014   06:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't think the handwriting on the letter matches the handwriting on the envelope.


I totally agree Zuzu, and besides I can't see any date on this cover at all other than the aforementioned pencil notation on it but that could have been written in by anyone and at anytime.

The stamp itself is the best evidence of the time frame. This design was in use from 1861-1875.

http://www.3cent1861.com/

http://www.theswedishtiger.com/ID65.html

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Posted 05/02/2014   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not to mention it's not a 64, nothing ties it to the cover, the cover is stained and ratty. I think 1¢ is the right sale price.
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Posted 05/03/2014   07:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's marked as a #65.
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Posted 05/03/2014   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think stallzer was refering to the #64 penciled on the top left corner.

edit: I clicked on the ebay link. The auction listing is for a #64. I_Love_Stamps where do you see it marked as a #65
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Posted 05/03/2014   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
He was probably referring to my stating that it was a #65, and didn't have his glasses on to note the faint pencil marking on the cover.
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