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Scott 68 & 68A "Tag" Variety.

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Posted 06/04/2014   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add CoinWatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of a 68 & 68a,both with the double transfer showing on the "TAG" of POSTAGE. I was very surprised to see the pop. report on Siegel at about 150 for the 68 and 50 for the 68a,which I believe includes all "TAG" variety stamps. Of course there are many more but only so many are graded. Neither of these stamps was offered as the "TAG" double transfer.





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Posted 06/04/2014   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CoinWatcher, thanks for posting this. I have a few #68s in my collection but haven't heard of this variety.
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Posted 06/04/2014   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Classic Coins the double imprint is illustrated on re-entries.com by Ralph Trimble and several are also on Siegel Auctions.
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Posted 06/04/2014   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like one of my #68s is the TAG variety, although not as pronounced, no?

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Posted 06/04/2014   11:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CC I am not sure about that one. It doe's seem to have the doubled LR corner.
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Posted 06/04/2014   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A quick browse through ebay reveals this variety is very common.
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Posted 06/04/2014   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree with that statement. Doe's anyone know the stats?
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Posted 06/05/2014   12:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not rare and it occurred on more than one position which has been proven by blocks. My father (who collected the 10c 1861) actually wrote an article on the "TAG" variety in Chronicle #85 which can be accessed in the members section of the USPCS.

The TAG variety is not a double transfer, it's a defective transfer which originated on the transfer roll itself. The TAG stamps don't carry any monetary premium.

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Posted 06/05/2014   12:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a quote from Lester G. Brookman's book, "The United States Postage Stamps of the 19th Century"....Volume 2,1966,on the Scott 68.
"Double transfers of greater
or lesser degree are fairly common but one
variety that usually is called a double transfer may not be a double transfer
at all. We refer to the defective lettering of " TAG " of " POSTAGE . This
variety, which is a prominent one, has been known to students for a long time.
It occurs in blocks but we have never seen it in combination with a stamp that
did not have this variety although such may very well exist. It seems probable
that the defect was caused by the use of a transfer roll upon which some bits
of metal had become lodged. The variety is prominent on some stamps and
less prominent on others which indicates that the bits of metal wore away, or
became more deeply embedded in the roller so that they made a lesser impres­sion on the plate."

He doe's go on to say that there are other theories.
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Posted 06/06/2014   12:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some later research has turned up more info about the TAG stamps.

10c Type 2 stamps were printed from 2 plates, 15 and 26. 15 was put into use in July of 1861 and was the first plate used. When Brookman wrote his books it was believe that TAG stamps. Ly came from the later issued plate 26, it turns out that plate 15 was re-entered quite a bit some time around 1863 as that's the EKU of TAG stamps.
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Posted 06/06/2014   01:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seeing this thread caused me to look at my stamps. I only have one, and the TAG is definitely quite prominent. It looks like it sneaks into the "O" a bit.



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Posted 08/06/2017   12:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi All

This is just one of those interesting varieties. Besides the "TAG" variety, I've noticed on various copies of the TAG variety other varieties related to this stamp.

As an example, closely examine the stamp image scan by "Partime", look at the "E" on postage, also look at the "O" in postage.

Now examine the scan by "Classic Coins", see the "U.S." at top, I can't quite make out what is going on here.

Loran C. French, author of the book "Encyclopedia of Plate Varieties on U.S. Bureau Printed Postage Stamps", discussed this stamp. I always believed this was a double transfer, but Cloudy made the argument that is variety is really Extraneous Transfer.

I've always enjoyed ebay stamps section, on the #68 stamps, I enjoy looking at the various other varieties not noted on the sellers listed.

Does anyone else enjoy this activity?
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Posted 08/06/2017   8:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I enjoy collecting DTs, but this is not one of them. TAG variety is interesting but quite common. I have 10 examples of scott 68 in my stock book, most poorly centered or faulty, and 4 have TAG variety.. I don't think there is any increase value in this variety compared to normal scott 68.

Interesting, E grill Scott 89 also see TAG variety (very common) but absolutely never in F grill Scott 96???
Thus a 10c grill with TAG variety is always an E grill, never F. Thus... shortcut... No need to count grill points!! ????
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I will just pile on and add my 2c to this and say that I found many of these in dealer's stock, and although I didn't scientifically study them, it is pretty safe to say, from my small study, that these double transfers on this stamp are common enough.

Given their relative ease of acquisition, it might be ripe for some more study/plating, yet. Who knows.
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Posted 08/06/2017   11:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, these are not double transfers.

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Posted 08/07/2017   12:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let's not lose sight of the overall issue. Even if we do consider this a double-transfer, Scott only gives this a $5.00 premium over a standard used copy. I'm sure if Scott recognized this issue as a true variant, it would only warrant a very small premium.
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