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Moresnet #3 - Kelmis Cancel On 10/14/1886

 
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Posted 07/29/2014   11:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Kenneth Weiss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Does anyone have know why this would be cancelled at all? It was Private City Mail for only 2 weeks til the Mayor declared it forbidden on October 19. 1886. This Moresnet #3 "stamp" never went anywhere but has the SON Kelmis cancel. Thanks... Ken
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Posted 07/29/2014   11:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Did you have a picture too?
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Posted 07/29/2014   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kenneth Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I tried to upload the scanned pix but couldn't get it down to size. I go through this every time... these darn electronic devices are too complicated .....
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Posted 07/29/2014   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What is a Moresnet and and Kelmis anyway? What country / territory are you talking about?
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Posted 07/29/2014   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I never heard of it either, but this (translated) page might help to explain it a bit:

http://www.moresnet.nl/nederlands/postverkeer.htm
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Posted 07/29/2014   8:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BeeSee, the history of Morisnet is most unusual. It is a 3.5 square kilometer area in between Belgium and Germany, and the only town in it is Kelmis. Since 1920 the area has been part of Belgium with the exception of World War 2 when of course it was claimed by Germany. Part of the problem is a zinc mine that was claimed by both Belgium and Germany.

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Posted 07/29/2014   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wt1, that is an interesting article about Moresnet, but it is in Dutch. I do not know how to get it translated for you even though I do speak Dutch.
By the way, if one Googles "Moresnet" it will show an English article about the area, although it does not explain the postal history.
Also, if one puts "Moresnet" in the search function above, it will show an old post from 2011 with pictures of the stamps.

Peter
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Posted 07/29/2014   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My Google Search to the link provided earlier automatically translates it for me. The first paragraphs are translated (a little rough in the translation) thusly:


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Although in the neutral territory a real post office has never existed, the residents were not naturally devoid of postal traffic. As with do more business was the case were the inhabitants of the neutral zone, also with regard to postal traffic, both ways.

Throughout the existence of the neutral territory because both the Prussian and Belgian postal mail communications simultaneously, but independently of each other, cared.

Was a letter sent to Prussia then one pasted a Prussian stamp and sent the letter with a Prussian postal service. Had the letter to Belgium then went a Belgian stamp on it and mailed the letter to the Belgian postal service. For either case the domestic tariff.

For a postal item to all other countries one could easily choose the postal service with the best rates.

Nearest Belgian post office (Henri-Chapelle) that the post in Belgium Moresnet kept was also responsible for the order post at the neutral territory.

Nearest Prussian office Herbesthal that the post in Prussian Moresnet gave also had the neutral area within its jurisdiction.

Both offices had their own messenger that the post in the neutral area ordered and the respective coaches emptied.

Later, the Vieille Montagne ensured that a German office was opened in Prussian Moresnet. As almost usual this office was housed in a building of the Vieille Montagne.


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Posted 07/30/2014   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kenneth Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, again - Moresnet, indeed, did not have its own stamps. That is why I am so curious about the little piece of paper I have which was cancelled there. It looks to be Prussian derived, but it is cataloged in my OBP/COB Belgian stamp catalogue as - # L011 3PF Violet Not Perforated. After the 2 weeks of Private issue of this series the Mayor stopped their use and had overprint " Ausser Cours gesetzt" put on the remainder. I've seen these overprinted versions on auction sites. My one with the Kelmis overprint I saw in a Hungarian Auction last year - 2 examples went cheap. I would like to upload an image of this if someone might assist me with the sizing. This little place is really interesting ... Ken
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Posted 07/30/2014   11:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kenneth Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oops - I just realized on my original post I identified this as Moresnet #3, but it is not perforated, therefore, it is #11. They only printed 8 perforated and 8 imperforate. Apparently, the emission came from Kelmiser Verkehrs Anstalt, from the idea of Dr. Molly an Messrs. Beaufays and Crickboom. This is reference site ... http://www.moresnet.nl/english/postverkeer_en.htm
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With my computer using Windows 7, if you right click on the article one of the options is translate. Seemed to work fine for me.
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