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Biafra--Secessionist Issues

 
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Posted 09/12/2014   08:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add floortrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a new page added to my collection. If these stamps were used on mail then they should be listed . I added them to my Cinderella collection until a more clear research done on them.

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Posted 09/12/2014   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's some further interesting information:


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Stanley Gibbons footnote a fourth issue of Butterflies, plus the same overprinted for the 1968 Mexico Olympics. As there is no evidence that these issues were actually used for postage within Biafra they fall outside of the scope of their catalogue and hence do not receive catalogue numbers.


https://www.sandafayre.com/philatel...fbiafra.html

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The (Stanley Gibbons) catalogue also notes that in late 1968, four stamps which depicted butterflies were put on sale outside Biafra and then reissued with overprints "MEXICO OLYMPICS 1968" but again not used for postage within the country and therefore are not included in Gibbons' formal listings.


http://commonwealthstampsopinion.bl...-biafra.html
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Posted 09/12/2014   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks -wt1,they will stay in my Cinderella collection.
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Posted 09/12/2014   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have those stamps too, but I put them with my other Biafra stamps, calling them unissued in the country. I can't say for Gibbons, but Scott is very inconsistent about listing unissued stamps. They often list stamps with full numbers and just state they were not issued, and other times list them as a footnote or inset, or just ignore them totally.

One of the biggest Scott blunders is British Columbia #1 which was not issued in BC, and is actually a proof for an International Exhibition in Paris. In reality, BC #2 is BC#1.
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Posted 09/12/2014   7:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 2014 Gibbons Part 1 still lists these in a footnote only, but prices the Butterflies set of four at £4 and £3.50 for the overprints.
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Posted 09/13/2014   12:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Tony. Like, why bother pricing if not "listing" them? Sounds like SG and Scott conspire together, LOL.
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Posted 09/13/2014   03:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jol34 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott lists lot of stamps that they don't dare to put a price to...
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Posted 09/13/2014   08:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a set that was listed in the Scott catalog and then later removed ,they did leave a footnote and description.

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Posted 09/13/2014   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know about Scott's philosophy on footnotes, but in the Indian States, Gibbons relegate a range of items to footnotes. Some of them were unissued, like this Cochin 1 Anna 3 Pies



but some, like this 1 Anna blue revenue Rajasthan overprint on Kishangarh



were authorised for postal use, for a brief period, but they're only listed (and priced) in a footnote. Possibly the footnote is a half-way house to a full listing in this case.
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Posted 09/13/2014   11:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tony-- nice Indian material. Do you have or seen R.C.de Thuin Indian Native States reference stuff.
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Posted 09/13/2014   8:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are any number of Indian States fakes and outright forgeries in circulation ( ebay tends to throw up at least one every day), but they're rarely attributed - and I can't recall ever seeing one attributed to de Thuin. They tend to be either early - a hundred or more years old - or recent. In the middle period, when de Thuin was operating, the Indian States were rather out of favour.
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Posted 09/13/2014   11:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TONY -Here is the first of 12 pages ,for your info.

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Posted 09/14/2014   01:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah yes, I've seen this sort of thing. As Indian States collectors don't assign any value to de Thuin forgeries, I'd guess noone has bothered to identify them as such.

If, as Haverbeck says, de Thuin confined himself to 'those that could be created by the line engraved process', they should be pretty easy to pick as line engraving wasn't a commonly used process.

This purported 2 Anna of Poonch could well be one of his creations:



They're around in plague proportions. Here is a genuine item:

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