Iran--1882 Shah Nasr-Ed Din Issue With Forgery

Here is the third type of forgery that Varro E. Tyler writes about in his book . This stamp on the right side was prepared by the Senf Brothers in Leipzig Germany and is recognized by the word "FALSCH" that appears in small letters across the bottom in the red border area of the stamp.

Added this to my forgery collection ,it also has the printing on the bottom to tell it is a fake.

Floortrader, I think nomenclature is important in classification. Wouldn't these more accurately be classified as facsimiles/reproductions instead of forgeries? After all, unlike forgeries, these stamps weren't issued to deceive since they are marked "falsch". Scott Catalog describes forgeries as stamps produced to defraud collectors, which these clearly are not. Of course Senf Brothers facsimiles are very collectible (just not as forgeries IMHO).

No, these stamps above can easy be made into forgeries/fakes by just crossing out the wording with a red marker or canceled over with a black cancelling device . True the original intent wasn't to deceive ,just like these Chad stamps below but once put into the wrong hands and cut out they can be resold as real or forgeries.

Better example of cut outs used to fool buyers ,

We got a whole new generation here and new overseas buyers on the internet buying stamps and the books about fakes and forgeries are all 30 years old or older .The websites about fakes and forgeries are mostly 10 years old also. This Stamp Chatroom can have more recent material and also be a easier find than many of the forgery websites that are out there, so I will continue to post stuff here to help someone searching for information .

LOL! Cut-outs are just that. They are neither forgeries nor fakes and were not produced to deceive anyone - they are stamp reproductions. The only stamps that can be classified as forgeries are those that were specifically printed to defraud collectors. A fake is a stamp which has been altered to make it appear more valuable. Cutting a stamp from a souvenir sheet only makes it a stamp cut from a souvenir sheet - nothing more.

Edit: great if you are going to post info, but please classify it correctly so those interested can learn the many differences in these interesting stamps - everything is not a forgery :)

JENNY-----I failed for 12 years of taking the English language in school ,so I am not the person to discuss proper terminology with . So jerking around with wording and correct terms is not of interest to me. Thats why a major brokerage house gave me a English major and a secretary both to correct the market letters I wrote for them .

All the more reason to classify them correctly. It would be a shame to pass on incorrect terminology While it may be of no interest to you, different types of faux stamps is a fascinating field of study on its own.

Just wanted to add this new addition of a real stamp with the previous shown reprint.

I'm going to disagree. While the original stamps that the cutouts are taken from are neither fakes nor facsimiles (after all they are valid postal issues), the cutouts in fact ARE fakes created with the intent to deceive, even if it is someone just wanting to fill in spots in their own album.

As floortrader says, claiming that cutouts are not fakes due to the source of the cutout is hairsplitting to the Nth degree. It is alteration of a stamp with the intent to deceive.

Floortrader,
I appreciate the work and many hours you have spent compiling the fakes/forgeries. I see little value in quibbling over highly defined words, the vast majority of people understand what you are trying to communicate. Keep up the good work, you are making a solid contribution to the community.
Don

I disagree. It's shocking that someone who puts themselves out there as an expert cannot be bothered to properly distinguish what they are posting. Google any forged/faked/reproduced stamp and you will find it properly classified with the exception of what is posted here. A new collector can certainly call anything a forgery without objection, but much more is expected from those who call themselves specialists.

Dictionary.com defines "forgery" as



So I agree with revenuecollector. If a "cut-out" was produced with an intent to deceive, it can be called a forgery. I suppose if it was created innocently and later used with an intent to deceive, it might be better termed a fake, but I also agree with Don that in this instance quibbling over terminology is not productive.

ME---ME !! A EXPERT , you got to be kidding ...........Let me clearify that I am no expert .I love working on my stamp collection and that's all it is my entertaintment, all my life a hobby .