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Posted 10/13/2014   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kevin504 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



Again.....was told this is #767ii?
GOLD OMITTED??
Does anyone have a cv value on this??

Thanks.
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Posted 10/13/2014   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kevin. Quite some interesting stamps you have shown lately. My 2104 Unitrade only lists a 767 T1 (untagged) error. I don't see a 767ii. I would think that "gold omitted" stamps would be very hard to verify as there are multiple ways of dissolving that color without affecting others nearby.

Keep the examples coming.
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Posted 10/13/2014   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think Partime may have something there with the dissolving gold colour. I can see a trace of the Prince's Gate (the structure pictured on the stamp) image on your stamp. It seems it may have been there but is no longer prominent.
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Posted 10/13/2014   10:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-767-...em51ac09a8c4

This is why I thought GOLD OMITTED....???
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Posted 10/14/2014   10:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJag to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Jamesw.

It's a fake.
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Posted 10/14/2014   10:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 10/15/2014   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Kevin, I'm not sure what the ebay listing proves. Yes there should be gold there. But I just think that it has been removed somehow. Whether fakery or by accident, I don't know.
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Posted 10/15/2014   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jamesw....
I am with you.
I do not think it proves anything.
It is just all that I can compare it to.
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Posted 10/16/2014   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gportch to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Kevin 504

One of the tests we use in the expertizing process at the Greene Foundation for "missing gold" is to compare the subject stamp with a "normal" stamp using standard long wave ultraviolet light.

In most cases where the gold has been removed to appear as missing a missing colour, the process also dulls the paper and causes the usual sharp edges of the tagging to become somewhat "feathered" and dulled.

This type of examination may not prove anything but it sure gives you a starting point.

GJP
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Posted 10/16/2014   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
gportch...I am impressed with your information.
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Posted 10/16/2014   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
gportch....Thanks for the help.
Based on experience of US stamps....I think this is a missing color.
The other ink appers perfect...no dulling, etc....

Is this a "known" error???

Also....I printed out the submission forms to The Greene Foundation.
I alos have some other nice submissions.

Again...appreciate it.
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Posted 12/17/2014   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just saw this stamp listed in the Section at the top of our page.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281529241688/

The title of the ebay listing says, "PSAG CERT - ERROR - #767 -- GOLD OMITTED, NH". Unfortunately, when you read a little deeper down in the ebay listing, the PSAG Cert actually says,

"No Opinion as to Gold Omitted"

So what is it? Was the stamp certified as having Gold Omitted? Or is there no opinion, which means it is false advertising to claim that it has Gold Omitted (in the title, at least)?
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Posted 12/17/2014   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StevieG to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm probably showing my ignorance here.I looked at the ebay link from Partime and looked at the stamp with gold missing. It appears black. When I tilt the screen as if to close the computer, the building appears quite clearly. Was the building made up of two colours?
Stephen
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Posted 12/17/2014   8:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
partime.....I have seen Randy Shoemaker at a show in Dallas.
He is the owner of PSAG....I showed him the stamp there and he said
he thought it was gold omitted.....I left him with this stamp and some others
to be expertized....this is what was returned to me.
Am I happy that I paid for a "no opinion" cert....no.
But....thats what came back so it was included in the listing.
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Posted 12/18/2014   01:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it just seems that if you know it isn't definitely a Gold Omitted, and you have a cert that doesn't deny this fact, then the listing title should not imply that it has gold omitted. Just saying...
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Posted 12/18/2014   05:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Partime,
Some listings subscribe to the 'buyer beware' approach; this listing obviously falls into that category. Personally, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I listed this way but at least the listing carries the cert for all to read.

'Trolling for suckers' in listings is in a grey area. Some folks believe that as long as there are some clues in the listing the responsibility of finding them and understanding the risk falls upon the buyer. Frankly, this is true. Between the listing title, description and asking price a novice might think that this listing is something that it is not. But reading the cert, along with a bit more understanding of ebay listings and selling tactics, makes it clear what it is.

Could a new hobbyist mistakenly believe that this is a real color missing error stamp? Possibly. Is the seller within his rights to list it this way? Yes. (But in my opinion this is one of those situations where someone might 'have the right' but needs to ask themselves 'is it right?'.)

All of the NYStamps listings now carries the following blanket statement buried in the terms and conditions; "Some stamps could be expertly restored, regum, or repaired." This follows the same 'buyer beware' approach. To their credit, at least they also give the buyers a heads up. As long as there are buyers who are not paying attention, those which are not well informed, or those which simply have more money than sense I guess than these type listings will be around.

There are many very good sellers on ebay. Competition is such that you can certainly find sellers and material which you are comfortable with; making the online buying experience rewarding and positive.
Don
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