Foreign Soil Depicted On Canadian Stamps

Gilles le timbre has ferreted out some foreign soil that I missed. Yet I am surprised that I did not see l'emperor lui-même in the bottom left quarter, with the sideways bicorne hat!



This will be the twenty-fourth example: #1744 (1998)

The eighteenth example is: #1579 (1995) commemorating the fact that Superman was created by a Canadian but expropriated by the USA.



The steam engine seems to place the scene in the USA. The experts at ExpoRail (Canada's national railroad museum) (and where I am a proud volunteer!) allow that there were some locos that were streamlined in the CNR/CPR, but they did not look like the one pictured. It does look like this one, however:



It's from the New York Central RR.

(The next example has the second US flag on it (third US emblem). Can you find it before tomorrow?)

I was thinking of a few that could belong here, such as the Gordie Howe stamp, of 2000, Northern Dancer Horse winning the Kentucky derby, John Peters Humphrey and the Human rights charter signing, the 1967 stamp of the UN at the UN pavilion, in Montreal (in Canadian denomination, 5c, for mailing within Canada), the Nato stamp of 1999, with all flags from the NATO, etc... but it all depends how tight the rules really are.....

I am guessing that the 20th example may be the Canada/Alaska border as shown on Scott 1606c.

I am not sure where the Hundred Acre Woods is located. However, I think it is safe to say that a certain literary bear is clearly eating some honey next to a popular US tourist destination.

I believe the Cinema in Canada series was already discussed.

Scottamer spied the American flag at the Yukon border and posted the twentieth example: #1606c (1996) commemorating the centennial of the Yukon Gold Rush.



Major General Sir Samuel Steele (pictured) with two dozen NWMP (Mounties) fought and won the last battle ever fought on Canadian soil (1885) at Loon Lake, SK.
In January 1898, he was sent to police the border posts at the White and Chilkoot Passes during the Yukon Gold Rush. It was he who established the rule that no one would be allowed to enter the Yukon without a ton of goods to support themselves, thus preventing the entry of desperate and potentially unruly speculators and adventurers.
This picture shows the gruling results - each prospector making this trek ten or more times:



He was the first commanding officer of the Strathcona's Horse in the Boer War.
He was the made commander of all Canadian troops at the outset of WWI. (temporary)
Canada's fifth-tallest mountain, Mount Steele in the Saint Elias chain, Yukon, is named after him.

The NHL All-star stamps (36 in all) (2000-05), have ice rink backgrounds but are unidentifiable or stylized, though it may well be in an American arena.
The Canadian horses (1999) have rodeo backgrounds but are also unidentifiable.
The John Peters Humphrey issue (1998) shows the Universal Declaration on Human Rights but, since he was the original writer, his hand-written copy and pen is celebrated.
The UN stamps of Expo'67 are foreign stamps on Canadian soil.
Flags should show the ground they're flying over.

With the entry of Emma Albani and Napoleon everything is bumped up.

So the next is example is twenty-three, the Disney stamp noted by Scottamer. I'll post that one tomorrow.
Twenty-four is the Hockey Summit pointed out by xyyz.
Twenty-five is the Leduc painting of Napoleon found by Gilles le timbre.

What's next?

1995 Holocaust anniversary - wouldn't these Concentration Camp victims have been on foreign soil?

How about 897 (Niagara-on-the-lake with NY state in the picture)

The Holocaust stamp #1590 (1995) is, in the end, like the portrait background gambit mentioned previously.
Incidentally, the bottom centre picture (ID card) is the half face of Robert Engle, who was (accidentally) the third living non-royal person depicted on a Canadian stamp.

Looking at the Niagara-on-the-Lake issue #897 (1981) a while back I had ruled it out because it was a map, which was against rule #3, and Unitrade's label is "Map of the town".



XNBer's suggestion made me look at it again and I see that it is more like an aerial view and (sure enough!) that's Fort Niagara on the US side of the river. Niagara (on-the-Lake) was pretty much destroyed by the Americans in the War of 1812-14.
(This becomes the thirteenth example and everything gets bumped again.)

Scottamer found the (now) twenty-fourth example: the Winnie the Pooh issue #1618-21 (1996)



There are four different renderings of the bear and each is either on British soil or at Walt Disney World Florida (who removed the hyphens from his name).
An ex-pat Canadian bear he was the unofficial mascot of the Fort Garry Horse Regiment during WWI in London.

(There is one more example before 2000.)

Thanks again Sak for a continued great thread. Some observations:

* Agree with your reassessment of Niagara-on-the-Lake issue #897d. Definitely not a traditional map and should be included.

* I still do not agree with your dismissal of the children's Nativity scenes on the 1970 Xmas stamps. To me you cannot dismiss these as pictures of Canadian crèches. Back in the sixties and seventies, the birth of Christ was taught quite consistently to young children in Canadian schools (catholic or otherwise) with pictures of the event. I think it is much more likely that at least some of these children where inspired to draw an image of the fantastical event they were taught about, rather than an Xmas decoration they may have also seen. Plus a piece of art based on another piece of art that is based on an event on foreign soil should qualify in my opinion. Note than #521 shows the scene complete with the manger, stable/barn, sky and star of Bethlehem. To me, this is a picture of Bethlehem whether you believe the accuracy of the events of not. But of course I understand that your thread plays by your rules.

* Your comment about living non-royal persons on Canadian stamps is an interesting one and would also make an interesting thread. Of course stamps showing Canadian soil on foreign stamps would also be interesting but not in this section of the forum, I guess.

* Finding additional foreign soil in the modern era gets quite subjective. I see strong possibilities with #1657, # 1658, and #1721 but cannot be certain for any of them.

With apologies to Lisa Wilson, the artist of the #521 Christmas stamp, (who should be about 44 years old now) I can't see including her stamp without adding, say, #1670 (1997) which is a stained glass work by Ellen Simon showing the nativity as well - and most other religious artwork.

XNBer was asking about the rules, too. When I listed the 3 rules (4 now with portrait backgrounds) I put: "if I may". I think the intent was obvious and we don't want to get bogged down. I apologize if I sound imperious at times. I am honoured and appreciate everyone's contribution.
I'd say that whatever is Canadian territory now is excluded - like the forts or Newfoundland! I have enjoyed the "trickiness' of some of the examples - but it's only for sparking interest.

I hope everyone feels free to post whatever they like and agree or disagree on the examples.

The numbering system is hard to keep track of and now I realize I misled everyone because the next example is in 2000! I'm sorry if I kept anyone up late pouring over their microscopes in the 1999 issues.

The twenty-seventh example is #1854c (2000) part of the Fresh Waters of Canada issue:



This is Cameron Lake in the Waterton Lakes National Park, looking south. As you can see from the Google Earth snip, the mountains in the background are in the USA. The yellow line is the border.



On into the next millennium... (I think I'll stop trying to number these - it's forever changing !)

Steve

Hi Sak,

Of course I am only ruminating on my choice of stamp #521 in fun and take absolutely no offense to you discounting it. In its defense, I should add that it is the first and one of the only Canadian stamps before 2000 to show religious artwork that is not strictly a portrait with a neutral background. Even stamp #1670 could be argued to have a standard "portrait background" as the others do in that series. Whereas stamp #521 clearly shows a person standing in front of a manger, in a barn/stable, with sky and a star behind them. On the other hand, the actual surface of the ground is not shown in the portrait, so this may be reason to disqualify it.

Incidentally, Lisa Wilson would be about 52 years old now. While her artwork may not be a masterpiece, it certainly would be even more impressive if she had done it before she was a year old!

In honour of the persistence displayed in the face of great adversity, and in deep respect for the tradition it upholds, we hereby display #521 (1970), now 52-year-old then 8-year-old Lisa Wilson's contribution to the generous spirit that typifies Christmas!



May the scene here portrayed not be foreign to any Canadian's heart.

(This is such a fun thread!)

Yahoo!!

The next example is another Niagara stamp:#1863 (2000) Masterpieces of Canadian Art
Cornelius Krieghoff's "The Artist at Niagara"



It is almost exactly the same scene as our third example #225 (1935) with the American Falls in the foreground.