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Scott #89 - Plate Cracks..?

 
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Posted 12/20/2014   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys...Looked at this Scott #89 stamp for years and wondered what could cause all the lines that appear on this stamp that remind me of defective plate cracks..Not sure though...Any ideas..?
Thanks, Robert














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Posted 12/20/2014   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! If those are plate cracks, and they sure look like it that plate was in pretty bad shape. Good find, Robert!

Peter
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Posted 12/20/2014   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They definitely look like metal stress fractures.
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Posted 12/20/2014   11:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Scottamer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes those marks look like the typical plate cracks that produce the "hairlines" mentioned in most Canadian catalogues. This 1 cent Edward with hairlines is listed in the 2015 Unitrade as #89iv.
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Posted 12/20/2014   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coriandre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Scottamer. Those are hairlines.
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Posted 12/20/2014   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You mean just "hairlines" and not "hairline cracks" in the plate..??

Is there always that many of them though..??
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Posted 12/20/2014   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unitrade lists this as 89iv "hairlines". I've seen as few as one to as many as 20 across a stamp. Nice find. Slight premium for Used Fine at $5.00 in my 2014 catalog. (Used VF is $10)
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Posted 12/20/2014   1:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coriandre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hairlines are the result of a cracked plate. The plate is bent to fit the transfer roll and the cracks show up.
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Posted 12/20/2014   2:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wert, those are hairline cracks. They still happen on modern issues - one of the most famous ones is the "raincrack" on the 4.9 cent Buckboard precancel, Scott # 2124a.

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Posted 12/21/2014   10:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
just for my own edification is that the same thing as a "gripper crack" or is is that just when the plate wasnt wiped down properly? Thank you in advance for any responce. -Jeff
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Posted 12/21/2014   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I_Love_Stamps..I think they are referring to stress cracks in the plate...In high school I took the printers course (for 4 years) and we did encounter stress cracks in plates, sometimes as we are securing them or if one side of the clamp was tighter than the other side, we would get the odd crack in a plate.
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Posted 12/21/2014   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coriandre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It has nothing to do with improper wiping of the plate. They are stress cracks on the plate from being bent numerous times
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Posted 12/21/2014   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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It has nothing to do with improper wiping of the plate. They are stress cracks on the plate from being bent numerous times


Coriandre...Yes, that is correct...I have seen it happen in my class, but not that many...Printer must have fell asleep...haha
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Posted 12/21/2014   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an explanation by one of the most reputable and expert on the admiral stamps (George C Marler - see his book on page 33 Abstract below

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Thank you for the education. I knew that these particular cracks were ID'd properly,I just wanted to know what the difference is was all? Thank you. Now I know. :)
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Posted 12/24/2014   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Final update guys..Had Ralph take a look at it as you can see from the new picture and what he says..


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This one does indeed have a slight re-entry, visible mainly in the upper part of the design, including the lettering band and the top of the portrait oval. However, even more interesting is the very heavy retouching that was done to this stamp. Notice the very thick top frameline. Also, the heavy dark arcs over the final 'A' of CANADA and 'P' of POSTAGE and the cross-hatching between them. The same sorts of things are also going on in the lower part of the design...the cross-hatching between ONE and CENT, the bottom lines of the lower left and lower right spandrels, and the bottom frameline. Then you have the added bonus of several hairlines in the left and right margins, the result of a cracked plate from bending it to fit the rotary presses. The cracks took up ink, creating these lines.

Lots going on here...all in all, a very interesting stamp!
Ralph



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