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Posted 01/10/2015   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Unhinged to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSAG-CERT-E...281548046657

This one is an "unprinted" error. The seller kindly provided a catalog number, #104, 1c Admiral (??). I think the funniest part though is the cert statement, "No opinion, this has never been officially recognized." I've seen some crazy buy-it-now values, but $1500 for this piece might be a new high (low).

ETA - Silly me, I didn't even notice this was in the Canada section of ebay.
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Posted 01/10/2015   9:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ask Kevin... he's on SCF...
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Posted 01/10/2015   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The ebay listing shows only the reverse of two stamps. There is no indication of what the obverse is. This listing is very puzzling.
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Posted 01/11/2015   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The ebay listing shows only the reverse of two stamps. There is no indication of what the obverse is. This listing is very puzzling.

I think the obverse is what is shown. According to the listing title, the stamps are fully gummed, which I guess is not shown.

Hopefully Kevin will chime in and explain know how one can positively ID a stamp which was not printed

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Posted 01/11/2015   09:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These have been offered many times over the years. They, I believe, are gummed, unprinted, perforated stamp paper. As I recall the paper and perforations are supposed to be from the Admiral Issue, but don't quote me on that. I haven't seen these advertised for years. Mike
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Posted 01/11/2015   10:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
MINT - as shown
I am not a CANADA expert
Based on research....I was told this is #104
There was some found years ago....
I can not verify it.
Let my loss be your gain

If you know what this is.....please do contact me.

That is my disclaimer in the listing.

These, and other Canadian errors, came from a very advanced US
collectors ERROR collection. That is how they were marked.
I am basing my findings on his tellings for this item.

The FRONT is shown....the back is fully gummed. There is not any printing on this. I do not know if a BLANK sheet was issued in error or part sheet printed...and this can from a non-adjoining to a printed stamp.
As watermark (Mike) stated...he is correct.

I have had a talk with Randall Shoemaker at a show...
we discussed this stamp. I gave it to him for expertizing then and the cert is what came back....am I happy? NO.
I thought an opinion was to be issued based on the discussion we had.
Oh well...it is what it is?


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I've seen some crazy buy-it-now values, but $1500 for this piece might be a new high (low).

As for the know-it-all....
No one says you have to buy it...or offer on it.

How does a value become known???
BY SALES!! You have to start somewhere.
I know what I paid for it....it is priced accordingly.
(or I overpaid, simple as that)
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Posted 01/11/2015   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A story about this variety can be found in BNA Topics Oct.-Dec. 2005 by Leo Beaudet.

http://bnatopics.org/journals/2005/...o.%20505.pdf
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Posted 01/11/2015   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Watermark thanks for posting that article. Very interesting that these stamps were first marketed by Bileski, who offered an alternative explanation:

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It is also possible such blank panes were used during World War I to train post office personnel. The British to this day use regular stamps overprinted with bars for this purpose. There are no records available to verify such a theory.

As for the asking price, who cares? Just like buyers, the seller is free to do as he/she pleases.
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Posted 01/11/2015   11:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stanley Gibbons has periodically offered similar items, at similar prices, for selected British issues. They are asserted as having potential value to specialists for things such as microscopic analysis of paper content or production processes, materials sources, or comparisons of printed issues for verifying the paper used in them, but I would expect the number of interested general collectors to be very low. Experts, societies, museums or government collections might want them.

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Posted 01/11/2015   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nl1947 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are not completely unknown.
Here is one from a dealer in Canada who sells rare stamps.

It is Scott Canada #715b I believe



and the certificate

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Posted 01/11/2015   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nl1947 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp I posted is selling for $400US
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Posted 01/11/2015   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
watermark (Mike)....Thanks for the link.
Much info is there. Impressed with the detective work!
Thanks!!
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Posted 01/11/2015   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nl1947 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are 2 others, albeit more plausible
Scott Canada # 556 & 611 - selling for about $200US
I guess we do this a lot in Canada



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Posted 01/11/2015   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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As for the asking price, who cares? Just like buyers, the seller is free to do as he/she pleases

Jenny2U....thanks.
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Posted 01/11/2015   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I completely agree that the seller (and buyer) are completely free to do as they please ... As long as both are aware of the "correct" information on the item. If a seller makes an unsubstantiated claim and then claims that they are not an expert, and that they were told by someone that a stamp is something that it isn't ... Then I am completely confused why someone would buy something from that seller. Truly a buyer BEWARE situation. Just my opinion.
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Posted 01/11/2015   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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As for the know-it-all....
No one says you have to buy it...or offer on it.



Why such an aggressive response?

This is a friendly forum.
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