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Toning of the gum is an issue. Many times I have seen people take very different position on the issue.
I believe the auction describer should of clearly said some gum toning. But it is a very arguable situation unfortunately!
Mint buyers are the reason why I only buy & sell used stamps. To be a mint stamp seller of 90 year old stamps horrifies me. One of the best ways to get bad feedback is to sell old very expensive stamps.
To over turn the auction decision you need to notify them that you are sending the stamp to an approved and well respected stamp describer as you do not agree with their description and find the description totally misleading when it comes to the stamp's gum condition.
I wish you all the best! KGV
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Dear Sir,
May I Know which auction house?
Hope you don't mind.
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I recognised the auction cut out as a Status Auction. But when I looked at the lot 868 it is not the stamp you have.
You have linked to the Status Auction that I checked but it is not your stamp.
What am I missing in all this?
Status International last auction you link us to.
Stamps & Covers
Public Auction 311
Closed 4th December 2014
Lot 868
6d Dull ultramarine Die II, plate 2 CA monogram single. VFM, uneven gum colour. ACSC 19A(2)za cat $3000. Scarce (P)
AVAILABLE at A$1200
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Wow sold at $1300. I would never buy a stamp without seeing a clear pic of the back. The fact that they did not disclose the discolouration is a big issue. They did not list or mention the toning on the gum or mention it in the 'Condition' section of the certificate because they knew it would sell for less if they did. Its almost fraud not to mention the discolouration. I would demand a refund saying they did not disclose the item condition accurately. If you paid with paypal you could raise a claim. The discolouration browning is a micro organism that can spread further over the stamp over time and make it worthless in the long run. I see many stamps with brown discolouration on the perf sides and back. If a dealer was going to buy it they would immediately reduce the offer price because of any brown discolouration. |
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When I asked for a refund they said the discolouration is from the Specimen printing plate and it's normal, so no refund. Did they address the toning at top right of scan? Surely this is not "normal" no matter what. Hopefully you paid by a credit card which offers consumer protection so if the vendor refuses a refund, you can dispute the charge. This is very obviously a case of misrepresentation (the condition stated on the certificate is inaccurate). |
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I can not open up the Auctions from Oct, Aug or July!
Maybe someone else can.
It looks like your purchase is from an auction that is long gone! |
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Is the toning in any way connected to the overprint ink on the other side or any kind of hinging? Did the specimen stamping leave an embossed rectangle box around the word specimen or is it a re-gumming of a previous hinge mark to hide it? A UV lamp examination will prove most helpful here in examining the stamp (as well as a checking with a safe kind of watermark fluid). |
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| Edited by jogil - 01/13/2015 06:12 am |
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Can anyone recommend a professional in QLD or Australia who provides stamp expertizing services? I have purchased other items from this Auction House which I am very happy with. This item was purchased in an earlier auction (not currently accessible) and until now I have been dealing with the Auction people without success so this matter is going before the Appeals Tribunal. I am just trying to confirm if what they are saying about the stamp is correct and that this discoloration is "normal". I am only an amature stamp collector and I only do it for fun. I am not an expert and I have never claimed to be. My belief is that this discoloration should have been listed on the auction and possibly the Certificate (organised by the Auction House) which I also had to pay for. All my other Kangaroo's with overprint do not have this discoloration. The exact response when asking for a refund/exchange: Quote:
"(1) Your claim that the quality of the stamp was "falsely advertised" is incorrect as is now confirmed by the expert certificate of authenticity. No doubts about it.
(2) You are the owner of the stamp are per our auction terms of sale, and no return or refund is possible as per our auction terms of sale" Thanks for all the helpful responses. It's unfortunate but I think I will now put my money and time into other hobbies. |
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You should also post an unredacted copy of the certificate. A legitimate expertizer will have no problem with publication of their certificates. This particular certificate is suspicious to me, as it is labeled as a "certificate of authenticity" which is not conventional in expertization. It is a cheesy form of puffery. Reliable certificates identify the authority at the top and do not attempt to puff up the idea of authenticity in the heading. In my opinion. |
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| Edited by cjpalermo1964 - 01/13/2015 10:50 am |
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Update to my earlier post. When I first contacted the Auction House regarding the quality of the stamp, it was of my belief that the discoloration was due to previous hinging. The stamp was then sent to confirm whether or not it had been hinged hence the current certificate confirming that. The Auction people would have known what I was talking about as it is blatantly obvious in the scans. The response from the Auction House once the discoloration was not established by hinging. Quote:
(1) Our description of the stamp lot 868 was fully correct. We totally disagree with your comments about the condition of the stamp, and reject your claim of "not as described" as being totally incorrect.
We do not see what relevance the description of lot 785 in our current auction has to do with the matter. As per our description lot 785 has some condition problems which obviously we have mentioned in our description. While the lot 868 which you bought did not have any condition problems, and so obviously our description did not mention any condition problems.
(2) The features you seem to be referring to were the normal impression showing on the back of the stamp from the pressure applied by the type B SPECIMEN overprint plate. Also it is normal that overprint is a bit visible on the back from slight soaking in of the overprint printing ink.
It seems you have seen very few stamps (or perhaps none at all?) with the type B specimen overprints, so are understandably not familiar with their appearance. While we have seen 100s of examples, so are well aware about what is normal etc. |
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What a poor attitude on the part of the describer. There is still the matter of gum toning in the upper right corner which is not addresssed.
I am afraid this does not improve my opinion of the auction scene in Australia. |
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Comments withdrawn. To the OP: next time please do not redact information from the cert. The only thing that accomplishes is causing people to draw incorrect conclusions. |
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| Edited by revenuecollector - 01/13/2015 4:54 pm |
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