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Posted 01/24/2015   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys/girls, here is my 1854 stampless cover..And really look at it and you will see where I got the idea for my avatar...haha

Trying to figure out where "St.Mary, York" is situated.




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Posted 01/24/2015   3:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
St. Marys Parish, York County, New Brunswick - looks like it is just outside Fredericton. I don't see a PO there until 1868, which probably explains the odd address "by road commissioner"
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Posted 01/24/2015   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Probably St. Marys Parish, York County, New Brunswick:

http://archives.gnb.ca/Exhibits/Com...mmunity=3561
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Edited by wt1 - 01/24/2015 3:48 pm
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Posted 01/24/2015   5:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first one is, 1836 Batavia, NY. The postmark reads BATAV. N.Y.
The next, also Batavia but 1839 and by then they are spelling out the entire name.
The last is a dirty ole thing from 1841, Putney Vermont. I like the contents of this letter. From a man to his brother on the topic of temperance. He tells of how the town is benefiting from such.





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Posted 01/24/2015   5:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll let wt1 have fun with this one.



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Posted 01/24/2015   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
New York Mills is a post office in Oneida County, NY which was established about 2 weeks before this beautiful county postmark was used.

One of my collecting interests is New York and Vermont postmarks (on stamp less and stamped covers) that show either the county name, the postmaster's name or both.

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Posted 01/24/2015   7:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a beautiful stampless cross-border cover from Vermont. Beginning in April 1852, mail between the United States and Canada East and Canada West could be sent prepaid all the way. The originating country had to stamp the cover with its name.

This cover has a number of interesting features. (1) The red U.States in ribbon marking (2) The Huntington PAID 3 crossed out, probably when the clerk realized that the correct postage was 10c not 3c. (4) The PAID 10 (in circle).

One of the many such items I have in my 1852 Treaty mail from the US to CE & CW

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Posted 01/24/2015   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glenn Estus, the quality of the items you post are always stellar. Do you have any Canal Boat postmarked covers?
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Posted 01/24/2015   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a cover with similar marking to the Huntington, Vermont cover above except in this case the clerk marked it PAID 10 and stamped it with the US border marking, before realizing that the cover was going to Boston. This time the 10 is crossed out and 3 added.

FYI, the inscription at the upper right says "Charge NRR" which means charge the Northern Railroad account for the postage

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Posted 01/24/2015   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have any Canal Boat stampless covers, but here are 2 covers that travelled on Lake Champlain in upstate NY and Vermont.

The Plattsburgh Ship Cover traveled privately on a ship from Montreal down Lake Champlain (passing Champlain, NY) to Plattsburgh where it entered the US postal system and traveled the 20 miles north to Champlain. 2c to the boat captain and 6c for the less than 30 miles from Plattsburgh to Champlain = 8c. Inland lake ship ratings are quite scare.

The bottom cover was carried on the Steamer Franklin on Lake Champlain. Not a good example but the best I currently have.



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Posted 01/24/2015   9:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glen - US - Canada treaty was April 1851, not 1852. Prior to the treaty, mail could be sent FROM Canada and the BNA provinces to the US either paid to the lines or paid to destination, but mail from the US TO Canada and the BNA provinces could only be paid as far as the border, and could be sent entirely unpaid.
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Posted 01/24/2015   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!, Great stuff. I've lived, most of my life, a stones throw from the Erie canal. I have yet to pick up a stampless cover with the markings.

My wife attended the University of Vermont, so we have crossed Lake Champlain by ferry a number of times. Those covers are wonderful. I would love to find a nice bold strike of the Franklin. Shoot, I would love to find one equal to yours.
I'll bet the Sherman Family (owners of the Champlain Trans. Comp.) amassed a great deal of wealth by moving cargo, including mail, along that lake.
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Posted 01/24/2015   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SPQR: You are exactly right about the date. I was writing out of my head, not out of my references. However, I didn't realize about the mail being sent from Canada prepaid the whole distance. Thanks for the information.

StampCrow: I believe that Captain Sherman lived in the Westport, NY, the town that I live in. I've been spending a lot of time in Burlington lately having some health issues and going to the UVM Dental and Oral Surgery Clinic. I also am treasurer of the Chittenden County Stamp Club, which meets once a month in Burlington.
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Posted 01/24/2015   10:22 pm  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Canal boat? I can do that. This one went from Cincinnati to Piqua on the Miami & Erie Canal and has a manuscript endorsement "Per C Bt. Mechanic". This is unusually easy to identify as having gone by canal.

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Posted 01/24/2015   11:12 pm  Show Profile Check docgfd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add docgfd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hudson, New York 1793 earliest known use. 25x4mm straightline postmark; 1oz pre-paid 50-cents (four times the rate due to enclosures)

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