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Help On Sweden 1855 - Forgery Or Reprint?

 
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Posted 03/30/2015   4:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Blaamand to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm still working on my Sweden collection. I have two copies of Sweden no.3 - 6 skilling grey. However they have quite a different apperance, so I suspect that one of them - or maybe even both - are either reprint or forgery. Both are perf 14x14.

I know this set has been reprinted several times and forged, but I do not have any detailed reference on how to identify reprints or forgeries.
I have a certified copy of no.1, and the one on the left below appears were similar to the certified one, very fine printing details but with a pale appearance. The one on the right has a more rough print, is smaller in size and has a more fresh color. I suspect this is either a reprint or forgery.

Any expert out there to my assistance?







Jon
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Posted 03/30/2015   5:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The second stamp looks like it is reperfed all around,

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Posted 03/30/2015   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Pagoda - I agree the perfs looks funny as well. Maybe it's a reperf of a perf-13-reprint, to make it appear like a autentic perf 14?
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With the small margins and shallow perfs, I agree with the likely reperf.

There were three reprints, 1865, 1871 and 1885. I think the first and third can be ruled out for the larger stamp because of the perf counts for those reprints.

The 1871 reprints were perf 14, as per the original. Serrane says the 1871 reprints are on thin shiny paper (papier mince glacé). The 1865 reprints are described as rough paper, while the 1885 reprints are described as shiny paper. Perhaps the smaller stamp is an 1865 reprint reperfed to 14?

Guessing.

My 2sk.
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Edited by Cjd - 03/30/2015 5:49 pm
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Posted 03/30/2015   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cjd - thank you so much for the details from Serrane. What you're indicating about the stamp on right side being reperfed (from 13?) to 14 makes sense. But by looking at it in real life, I would rather describe it as 'shiny paper' (at least very much so compared to the one on the left) rather than rough paper, which would indicate it's a reperfed 1885.

For the stamp on the left - which seems to be an original perf 14 - it must be the 1871 reprint if it's not authenitic. Serrane says the 1871-reprint is on thin shiny paper - fortunately that do not seem to match with mine - it is very far from shining, rather the opposite. Which makes me believe it's so far authentic - until more information is available.
I got this stamp on the left from a quite decent collection, and I would be surprised/disappointed if the former owner had a reprint in there - but you'll never know.

Anybody aware of any details in the design/engraving to identify reprints or forgeries?
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Posted 03/30/2015   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Facit mentions various shades & printings.

July 1855, thin paper, Gray,
July 1855, thin paper, Gray Black
July 1855, thin paper, Light Gray
September 1856, thin paper, Brownish Gray
September 1856, thin paper, Gray Brown

January 1858, medium paper, Brownish Gray
January 1858, medium paper, Gray Brown


The cancel looks OK and is dated November 1857 seems to suggest one of the 1856 printings reperfed.

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Thanks Pagoda, that's list is a good reference. I guess both my copies could potentially be authentic with that long list of various printings. When it comes to the surprisingly nice Stockholm cancel I am not sure what to think of it - it could have been faked as well? If I am not wrong the majority of this set were cancelled with box cancels.

I really appreciate any clues so far! I still hope that anybody has some detailed indicators of autnetic/reprints / forgeries on the design itself - anyone?
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