One More Newfoundland Stamp(S) - Cracked Plate.....?

Hi guys..One more strange thing with these NFLD Scott #56 and scott #58 stamps..As you can see, the extra line is in the same place on both 56 and 58 dog stamps..Could it be a cracked plate on the #56 run, washed up and run on the #58 with the same cracked plate..I put another #56 to show NO line as the others have.

Robert

It is interesting and great you have it on two stamps. It is more likely a plate scratch but very noteworthy variety. Plate cracks are typically much more pronounced and appear as actual cracks.

They are not the same, the red one angle when it cross the white and the black go straith

area66...You really don't think they are the same..I used GIMP to rotate the picture and used Shotwell viewer to measure the angle...Both were exactly 20.99 degrees.






Yes Crouse27..you could be right..looks like they did a #56 run and wiped it to run #58...You would think they would be more careful and look at the plate before starting a new run, or even burn another new plate...Might send it to to Ralph at re-entry.com, but the poor guy has lots on his plate.

Robert

Forget your wiping theory, it's not the same plate, look the angle change when it cros the white section

maybe your are correct area66, but what are the chances of having the same scratch in exactly the same spot on 2 different plates...Not good odds, right..?




Which brings me back to the cracked plate theory where maybe they removed it to do a completely different run and while putting it on some time later to run the #58 caused the crack to widen.

Even so, I will think about sending it off to Ralph the first chance I get.

Robert

And I bet most of it is from you wert.

I think you needs eyeglasses, lol, it's a joke …… I'm I the only one too see the angle in the scratch of the red one ? The scratch is at the same place but the red have an angle, a kink, in the white section. It's jump on my face. English is not my best I don't know what to say more. But I will bet you any money on it. I see the difference… what I can say more , lol….. we can talk all the night, I work until 6 am … I just make coffee want one ?

( Saturday night is the time I work on the servers of the company when all the stores are closed and no employees work )

haha...Just got back from the slots..time to go to bed..talk later my friend.

Hey area66 I believe you (sorry wert). Just because of the sheer crispness of the #58 stamp. The lines are all very well defined. Where as both #56 stamps look like the colour runs together. Which poses the question was there a way back then to duplicate the plate mechanically. If not some engraver just followed the lines and thought it was suppose to be there.

I am continually amazed by the micro analysis of stamps, and have little to add to the above (but thank you for sharing).

I would provide these facts of the dates of issue, which may be of relevance to the discussion:

1. The #56 (Unitrade/Scott) above is the Rose Red variety was issued Nov 1, 1887 and was commonly used thereafter. (There was another Orange Red version (not the one above) which was issued in January 1896. It is commonly accepted that the Orange Red essentially replaced the Rose Red use, but of course not completely. So, one can assume that most of the Rose Red stamps were printed from 1887 say until 1895-6.

2. The black version (#58) was born in November 1894. This is 7 years after #56. While of course printing overlapped,it is more likely that the same printing plates were not used for both. Imagine the British American Bank Note Co. using the same scratched or impaired plate for the #56 for 7 years, and then using it again for the 58? Possible? Unlikely? Lastly, the #58 ran until 1898 when it too had a gray black variety that basically replaced its black variety. It being possible that the above is the gray black variety.

I cant imagine the British American Bank Note Co even letting that defective plate run without checking it Tommy.

Tommy..Wasn't #56 issued 11 February 1888...?

Robert