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Posted 04/24/2015   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PoStat4evR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This item came through in a circuit today. It was offered to me for $1500 off Unitrade catalog pricing! Darn, where is the money when you need it? Oh well, it is a very pleasant item to look at... Enjoy

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Posted 04/24/2015   8:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 04/24/2015   8:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suggest you ask for a certificate. It look a bit too light for a number 16. You also want to make sure the perf are the right ones. (11 3/4 on all sides)
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Posted 04/24/2015   10:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PoStat4evR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since I couldn't afford it anyway, this is just a share at what I got to see. The item is on the way back to the person that sent it my way.
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Posted 04/25/2015   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hutin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#17b for me not #16
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Posted 04/25/2015   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hutin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2 pulled perfs and manuscript cancel....
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Posted 04/25/2015   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjung to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is one trick you can use to identify the Scott 16 from the Scott 17. For the 1st printing Black Brown shade, the new plate had very strong outer framelines, because it was new.

These very thin outer framelines wear quickly and by the 2nd printing when Scott 17 was released these thin framelines are not strong at all.

When you look at your pic of the 10c Consort, you can see that the outer framelines are faded and missing in some areas. So I don't even have to guess. It is certainly a Scott 17b, I'm afraid.

Here is a scan of a Scott 16 to compare. Look at the left and lower margin. Sorry that it is off center.

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Posted 04/25/2015   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hutin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice #16 and trick too
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Posted 04/25/2015   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jimjung has a excellent point about the frame lines here are two proofs that help show the subtle difference that can be found. Note the difference on the right frame line on these proofs. Other positions may show other line weaknesses.

Early proof 16Pi,strong frame lines:




Later proof 17TCi (note the flaw above C which occurred in the last two columns of this state of the plate) weaker frame lines:

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Posted 04/25/2015   3:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good one watermark, so mine IS a Scott #17...


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Posted 04/25/2015   4:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wert, Yes yours is a 17. There are so many shades on these I just generally group them and enjoy the varieties. Virtually every printing has its own shade. Makes for a fun stamp to collect.
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Posted 04/25/2015   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
a 16 (with Greene Foundation certificate):



and a 17b:

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Posted 04/25/2015   4:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamporator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another Scott 16Pi, plate proof, from the bottom margin. Showing very strong frame lines.



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Posted 04/25/2015   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Chipg, You have a nice copy of #16. Thought I would share mine as well.





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Posted 04/25/2015   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Scottamer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oi! These 16s are lovely. Thanks for sharing them. I would be thrilled to have any of them in my collection. I have a couple of 17s but have never been able to afford a 16 unless it was downright damaged and looked awful.
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Posted 04/26/2015   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjung to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some very nice 10c Consort stamps here! I really like this stamp and have quite a few copies. I was able to plate one of the scans, the later proof from watermark with the C Flaw is position 80.

Here is a a scan of position 80 from Ken Kershaw's book on the plating of this stamp. I could tell from the guide dot at right center that your proof was from the right column of the sheet. And the other differences are also on your proof.

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