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Russian Occupation Of Latvia (1919) Cover - Cto, Fake, ????

 
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Posted 08/10/2015   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Khedive to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Recently obtained an odd cover. Am familiar with the stamps issued by anti-Bolshevik forces in Mitau region circa 1919-1920; this set is always listed as unissued, with remainder purchased by German stamp dealer. I'm guessing this cover was made up in Berlin, but wonder when? Is it a contemporary effort to give the appearance of real postal usage, or a modern fantasy? I get "Mitava," but can not translate the bottom part of the cancellation, and am not smart enough to figure how to place Cyrillic characters onto this page. Do I see an abbreviation for telegraphs in that middle word? Date also seems odd. Any advice on this strange item appreciated.



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Posted 08/10/2015   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The bottom half of the CDS is Russian for Main Post & Telegraph Office. The book I have shows that in use on earlier cancels before 1905 but the WW1 vintage cancels no longer have that showing. Which of course may not be definitive. This is actually the first cover I have seen with the Western Army Eagles on it. My guess is that it's from the period but manufactured as were more than a few Bermondt-Avalov covers. Still a nice cover and curiosity,
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Posted 08/10/2015   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Western Army was active in Mitau(Jelgava) from October 10 to November 11, 1919.
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Edited by John Freibergs - 08/10/2015 10:42 pm
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Posted 08/10/2015   10:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Khedive, welcome to the forum. I am no expert on this area of post ww1 philately, but I am a long time Germany collector. Everything about this cover leads me to believe it is a German production. I find it interesting that the maker put an arrival cancel on the back flap, but didn't put the sender's name and address there first. Also, note the offset of the handwritten ink on the back. I wonder how many of these the person made. I'd guess that just about all of them have the offset from the previously produced item. The cancels are sharp and clean, too clean...and the envelope paper is too nice and too clean.

At least the maker used what look to be the genuine stamps. They have the characteristic notches above the value tablets. Maybe this dates them to the 1920's...but that's my wild guess. Sorry I can't be of more help.
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Posted 08/10/2015   11:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found a small paragraph in another book that lists the only known valid Mitau cancel with a small Cyrillic b below and to the right of the date.
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Posted 08/10/2015   11:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Khedive to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John Freibergs and bookbndrbob!
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Posted 08/11/2015   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found these cancels last night and may look a little further today. I don't know if this sheds any light on the OP's cover.

This first image is of a post card from 1915.


This one is purportedly from after the World War. You can see the LP overprint.


And this one is from Imperial Russia.


What I have seen, after quite a lot of googling and puzzlement, leads me to trust more the Jelgava postmarks from after the war
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Posted 08/11/2015   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a great resource for post-Romanov problems as related to stamps: http://www.collectorsclubchicago.or...ion-2010.pdf
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Posted 08/11/2015   11:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The middle stamp with the L P appears to be a genuine stamp but I don't know about the cancel. The one short article I read indicated that the only Mitau cancel known to be real has the Cyrillic lower case b in the lower right quadrant(what looks like an English small case d with a bar at the top).

The postcard is Free Soldier Mail from WW 1 but I'm not sure of the unit. The Mitau cancel I think is valid.

The lower one with the Russian stamp appears to be correct.
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Posted 08/11/2015   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a small sample of Mitau cancels from a book I have. Though I collect Latvia during the Russian period pre-WW 1, I've really never spent a lot of time researching stuff for those years. The Cyrillic cancels on the lowermost stamp would appear to be from the main post office.

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Posted 08/11/2015   11:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John, darn interesting period and region!
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Posted 08/11/2015   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think so too. But then again I'm prejudiced since my family were refugees from Latvia after WW 2.
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Posted 08/11/2015   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John, thank you for all this insight! However, none of the cancels in your picture is like the one on the original letter of this post. What could be the reason for that? Just a later cancel?

Peter
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Posted 08/11/2015   12:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that cancel is strictly a fabrication by someone. Probably to make the cover look more real.
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Posted 08/12/2015   03:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vasia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As others have mentioned, I am afraid this "cover" is a total fabrication. Below are some references that support this conclusion:

"The Eagle stamps were prepared in Berlin for use by the Western Army in Latvia. They were not, however, prepared in time before the evacuation (1/12/1919). and were sold directly to the stamp trade. The whole remainder of the unissued stamps had been purchased by a dealer in Hanover".

from R.J.Benns, "The Eagle stamps of the Western Army", British Journal of Russian Philately #37 (1965), pp 5-16.

You can also read similar information in the following article in the Rossica Journal:

http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00020235/00005/67
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