Austrian Empire - Lombardy Venetia Postmarks

JPMG - Lucky you - I would love to have all those catalogs!
....and in particular if there is a specialized book on Austrian and L.V. cancellations and postmarks.

Your specialized reference is defining a sub-type IIa - so I presume it also should exist more subtypes, eg IIb and/or subtypes c,d,e etc...
Would you mind to enlighten us with a relevant scan from your catalog? Would be much apporeciated

I found some notes on the L-V 15 Centes for distinguishing the types; I can't remember where I got this information though.

Type I:

1. Both numerals in "15" are of equal height.
2. The "5" does not touch the frame above.
3. The second letter "K" in KKPOST is broken.
4. The first letter "E" in STEMPEL has a short horizontal stroke on the bottom, no serif.
5. The second letter E in CENTES is NOT broken.
6. The lower rounded outline of the coat of arms consists of one thick line.

Type II:

1. The numeral "5" in "15" is higher than the "1", touching the top frame.
2. The "5" touches the frame above on both the right and left of the curved top stroke.
3. The second letter "K" in KKPOST is complete.
4. The first letter "E" in STEMPEL has a normal stroke on the bottom, with serif.
5. The second letter E in CENTES is broken.
6. The lower rounded outline of the coat of arms consists of one thick line.

Type III:

1. The numeral "5" in "15" is higher than the "1", touching the top frame.
2. The "5" touches the frame above on the right of the curved top stroke, but not the left.
3. The second letter "K" in KKPOST is complete.
4. The first letter "E" in STEMPEL has a normal stroke on the bottom, with serif.
5. The second letter E in CENTES is NOT broken.
6. The lower rounded outline of the coat of arms consists of two lines.

Items 1 - 5 seem pretty consistent with the stamps I have, but not item 6.

Good info Brian- bookmarked!

Here are two more L-V cancels on the 15 centesimi.

Padova, in Venetia



Auronzo, also in Venetia



I have put a 1200ppi of the "15" to help determine the type.

They both appear to be Type III. No broken letters and the tilted 5. However, if my notes above are correct, the "5" should touch the frame above on the right of the curved top stroke, but not the left. However, the both appear to touch.

The Auronzo stamp clearly has the two lines at the curved bottom of the shield, quite clear on the left. However, the Padova stamp appears more solid. Of course heavier inking can have an effect, as Jon said earlier.

I'm going to jump into the discussion, based on a Ferchenbauer Osterreich 1850-1900 catalogue I have


Type III (and Type II) have the elevated skewed "5"
Note the (horizontal elongated) dot attached
to the lower left vertical value panel line? - FTIIIc

There is a great deal of fun to be had by examining the stamps with a Dr. Ulrich Ferchenbauer 1850-1900 catalogue in hand for us of an obsessive persuasion.

Ferchenbauer lists a total of six types and subtypes for the Lombardy-Venetia 15 Centesimi red.

See the small dot by the left vertical line of the value panel? That clinches Ferchenbauer Type IIIc

Now Bee See's Auronzo postmark 15c..



... has the same dot on the left vertical line, so Type IIIc?

For more on Ferchenbauer catalogue parsing, see the blog post on the Austria & Lombardy-Venetia 1850 Coat of Arms Stamp Issue..

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...coat-of.html

Anyway, my 15 Centesimi, for what it is worth.

Excellent Jim! I went back to your site and have digested the information .

Any idea what type my Padova stamp is - I mean "sub-type"?

Ha ha, you should be a salesman Jim - your argument has made me really keen on getting that catalog!
Valuable info, thanks for sharing

Blaamand - we think (and obsess) alike.

Bee See - I still have a hard time with Type II and Type III- your Padova stamp --- Type II ?????

I was leaning towards Type II until JPMG mentioned the broken bottem line in E in Centes, as on my Colonga stamp. But perhaps only Type IIa has the broken E?

From blog...

"Ferchenbauer parses this type more finely as Type IIa or IIb. Type IIa has a break in the lower transverse bar of the second "E" of "CENTES". While in Type IIb, the break has been repaired."

If Type II, then Type IIb......

Thanks Jim, you have convinced me - Type IIb. I missed that part in your blog. This if fun .

Here is my next 15c L-V. It is quite heavily inked and reminds me of the "mottled blob of yellow" JKJ shows on his blog for the 1k Austria.

It must be type II... uh Type IIb

The cancel is Padova again.

Here an exemple of the page of the Ferchenbauer and the Huber ( orange book ) that describe the 15 c. ( the Muler is in 3 pages , I show only one ) Of course Ferchenbauer have tons of images of covers and stamps