Foul Ball Or Home Run Again For These Two George W. Stamps?

Good Day to all. I decided to place in this part of forum since these are pre cancels. Was going threw a large bundle of Pre cancels recently purchased along with other mix stamps.
Since the US World Series of baseball this week, I wanted to be express alittle bit of fun to assess these two stamps. I took my Babe Ruth's stamp out in honor of Baseball..lol
These stamps could be common ( foul) and possibly a far stretch for Scotts 423a and 423d (homerun), but carry Bureau cancellations on the 1 cent Washington green that caught my attention. The perforations need to be double checked because wondering if they are them. I am having a difficult time with the inverted Chicago Ill, with the vertical perforations. Are these considered a home run, or another foul and have to continue to try again..lol..Appreciate any assistance..
Thank you in advance..
Blazenstar

a 423a is a compound perf stamp, I'm guessin you saw the one listed on ebay and you should also note that stamp has perf 12 top and bottom

no,Jim I haven't seen it at all in ebay..Thank you for informing me..will look what they express about their stamp as well.. I was checking the philatelic foundation web search too about both of the stamps.yes..12 x 10 plus watermark 190 for the 423a and 10 x 12 with watermark 190 for the 423d..i did not see anything with buffalo, nywith the philatelic f. site....but I know that there are 32 examples of pre cancels. (29)Dayton Ohio, Buffalo and Elkart, In..very difficult to find..smiles

wow, jim..just saw what that man was selling his for with certifications, nice clean stamp..looks in very fine condition too. good to keep an eye out for them when checking for pre cancels.

Blazenstar