Re: Modern Fake Stamps Are Flooding The Market

To be honest, I don't consider Shodan a troll. He has some very interesting information on modern fakes/forgeries of well known questionable philatelic creations of the 1980's.

It is his manner of presentation that is questionable, and his promotion of the original items as having significant current or future value.

Thank you Shodan for placing this important information for the public to view. Although I do not collect modern world stamps in general or ever purchased stamps on the internet, nevertheless, the photos you shown in the threads may be helpful for novice collector to know the difference.It is good to be aware in different environments too.
Many stamp collectors purchase stamps at flea markets, stamp shows ect, estate auctions, get stock books, albums, sheets ect, unaware where vendor received to sell and it may cause unnecessary headaches for the future of families who inherit collections. Thank you for your thoughtfulness to be considerate of them too. I always ask, where did you get these collections?
Most of the stamp vendors I have met claimed they purchase their materials in lot collections from auction houses, selling among each other with their own personal collection at flea markets or stamp shows.The advance sellers have references books with them and checking the stamp to show the buyer information before even selling it to let the buyer to view for themselves. I believe is very important including being a responsible seller in person. Unfortunately, not all vendors choose to do this off the net, just looking to sell because book of stamps and want to get rid of it before they leave market. If they have bulk of materials other than stamps, already have prices marked. stamps should always be double checked. It is up to the buyer do the research.
I am glad the law authorities and different organizations around the world are trying their best to let others be informed to stop these actions for these stamps not to continue any circulation, especially if they are forgeries. Thank you for caring for others with showing your photos in the threads.

Sincerely,

Blazenstar

Sincerely,

Blazenstar

blazenstar, how do we then protect "collectors" from spurious issues produced for the simple purpose of separating people from their money? Regardless of the source, material produced solely to create the impression of scarcity or rarity when actually purposely mass-produced is a deceptive fraud on the hobby.

I agree with you, shermae. It is terrible including does a disservice to the stamp hobby..As a preventive measure, a suggestion I would recommend, if not done already:
Whomever in charge of organizing any stamp show event at Churches, Halls, ect, clubs in towns should always have written legal contract with the vendors signed expressing details what they choose to sell ect to the public. Some may think it may create a hassle, but it requires those vendors to be responsible stamp dealers in a public setting for buyers to purchase their items. It is important the organizer or club's reputation matters as well to hold a great show to have buyers to want to return again if they decide to conduct a future event. A contract should be signed by the vendor who wants a space and sent back before event occurs. When you have a large or small stamp show should always try best preventive measures that Vendors not intentionally selling fake stamps to anyone.

Sincerely,

Blazenstar

Could not agree more.

Thank you Blazenstar for instilling some helpful and intellectual comments into this thread.

Indeed I started this thread to get the word out.
Others, and I mention no more names with intent to discredit me and divert this thread away from its intended purpose really should enrage people that are being effected by this criminal act of mass forgery.

Over and over I have stated that I am just the discoverer because of my research on the original printers.
Over and over I have stated that I am just the messenger.




If I was not dealing with and profiting with some of the related stamps I would not have discovered them. That is like saying because I deal with Canadian rarities and discovered a someone is faking a bunch of them that I should stop dealing them so I can convince people it is not for my own gains.

Certainly if you were dealing them and someone started forging them you would be upset right? If I gain from letting people know about them...great. Others who deal in the material also gain. I am only a small dealer of Format material and always have been and indeed I am super specialized in only certain issues. There are dealers who have a much more vested interest in them than I ever will. Of course the originals will have to gain now. Who wants the fakes??? My small portion is nothing compared to what many others have. A drop in the bucket of what was produced by Format.

My site will never change because it has been developed for many years. Sorry if it is slow (for some), I created it for free, and only pay for the domain. Server, different code programs and all systems I developed and use for free. The shopping cart I used to use, Zencart, was free also. got rid of it....too much hassle updating it. I only sell on the auction sites now namely because I don't have time to sell stuff. I have some general lots and I post a few guaranteed sellers every week on ebay. So I make a couple hundred or so a month. Yup...really depending on that to live on

Sure I could easily change the CSS code in minutes but I like it the way it is and so do many others. For some, the pages do load slow because I use large file images. Optimization such as used in this forum degrades the images. Sorry but that is a fact....how do you think an image file size gets so much smaller? It is because much is taken out to make it smaller size.

If you read the pages I warn about this. It will happen mostly to people that are far away although I have people from around the world that tell me they have no problems. therefore it could be the provider, the PC, sheesh maybe there is a storm in the link somewhere.

I am definitely heh not a troll. Simply a research specialist in a stamp subject that nobody has ever undertaken in the world. Indeed the controversial nature of it has been a real roller coaster ride and indeed the discoveries made are mind boggling to many. In some cases it reverses the very nature of many stamps once believed to be legitimate in all regards to the point of delisting them because they and I am meaning the biggest dealers, catalogs and agents involved in their production and promotions broke every rule that the major catalogs use as their standards for listing or not listing them.

This is one reason many want to "fight" me. The truth hurts sometimes.

Now I am sorry to those that I have retaliated against here in this forum but by not defending in some degree they will continue to belittle the problem that this thread is about. It is a very serious problem and I can tell you that unless it is thwarted at the core it will continue to degrade stamp issues for many countries.

As it is now.....I have found that two more issues that have nothing to do with Leaders of the World stamps nor the countries they were issued for have been forged. Now we cannot verify that they are the only ones. there may be a couple or there may be hundreds more issues for many different countries that have been faked. These two issues were listed in the lot that I posted an image of earlier.

How long this has been going on I cannot say. It may be years. I am hoping that it is just coming out now! If not it means that dealers and collectors will may have to verify just about every issue made for African, Caribbean, Oceanian, Commonwealth on and on issues from the 70's to the 90's! That is too huge!

Working with me is better than against. Posting to this thread that you got some of these forgeries and where helps. Posting to this thread new discovered ones and showing images of them as I have helps. Getting the word out to everyone....helps. That is all I ask for in this thread.

Getting late and it has been a long day at work. I am making a new post showing the next fake I just got in the mail today. In a lot of 10!

This is Barbuda 1983 Manned Flight Scott# 581.
The Graf Zeppelin souvenir sheet.
The lot of 10 souvenir sheets as imperforates...is fake.
Here is an image showing one with an original perforated one.
Can you see the differences?
I will check in tomorrow.

We finally get the truth of the agenda here.

Ok so once you 'discovered' the issue, you stop selling them. You keep buying (not selling) them only for the purpose of research. This isn't rocket science, it is an obvious conflict of interest. I have not attacked you in any way, every post I made in your thread was written to help you. You have deflected this help, lumped me into some hated group that I have never belonged to, and made other incorrect sweeping generalizations.

I think Jenny is right, your primary agenda is to profit on this stuff. Instead spending time forming straw man arguments you can settle this quickly and easily, announce that you will no longer profit in related issues. With one single action you can prove us all wrong. So I challenge you, walk away from the small amount of money you are making on this stuff, donate the stock you have. This would prove that you do not have a commercial agenda and your motivations are pure.
Don

"donate the stock you have"? - why not just put it through the paper shredder!

Chasa

I will never bow down to the little group who are obvious from their posts. They will use various user names to make it look as if they are bigger. "other forum tactics".

This thread is to help collectors effected by these forgeries.
Comments like the above are useless to the thread.
I apologize (for them) the ones that are blind filling this thread with useless bantor. Please ignore them.

I will post images of what stamps to be aware of here but if you are serious and do not wish to have to read through all this dribble you can simply visit the index page linked at the beginning of this thread to get direct links to detailed pages on how to define the forgeries.

I will override the dribble by posting an image of a forged stamp or set of stamps and will reply to useful and intelligent comments only.
Comments such as blazenstar's, scb's, eyeonwall, mikyh, Crouse27, Flyingbanana, BeeSee.

Obviously the above do not understand what my last comment on my intentions of the thread are.

Of course I want to protect certain items I sell from being forged. Just as you would want to for items you sell.

How would you like it if you were selling a Canadian, British, U.S. variety and all of a sudden someone forges say 10,000 copies of it and puts them on the market and they are being sold in lots of 5 or 10 for a few dollars? What would that do to your business?
Would you just sit back and take it? Would you say "oh well" guess I will just donate mine...."?

I for one will never bow down to forgers.
I for one will never bow down to anybody.
Especially people who want to silence research and alerts to criminal activity and unethical behavior by stamp sellers. They are usually the ones that have something to hide and thus are always pointing fingers to defray people from looking at what they are doing.

Noting certain users here have no connections to what they sell linked here. For some there is a reason for it. They remain anonymous because they don't want others to know because they would be exposed for possible unethical reasons or shown to only being sellers of junk or exposed for not being as knowledgeable as they want to portray themselves to be in forums.

Now here is another one.
Montserrat 1985 Audubon Birds Scott# 580-3.
Inverts, imperfs, and normal issues have been verified as forged. Probably color proof sets have been forged as well.



Better shred all of your originals up now according to the "children".

Fixed it for you

Sorry Jenny.
Ok here is the normal. Fabricated? Or Forged?