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Posted 11/03/2015   09:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add 51studebaker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I would like to hear from others on this topic. I originally felt there were more fakes/forgeries* for US stamps then other countries but am now not so sure. For example, the number of British Commonwealth fakes and forgeries sometime seems overwhelming to me. When I correspond with many British Commonwealth sellers about fakes/forgeries many reply with, "I am not sure, it is very difficult to become well educated on all the fakes/forgeries out there."

So what do you think, which country or group of stamps do you feel has the most fakes/forgeries to watch for?
Don


*By fakes/forgeries I mean stamps generated to deceive others. This would include any reperf if the reperf changes the catalog number of the stamp. Would also include trimmed stamps if the trimming changes the catalog number.
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Posted 11/03/2015   09:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Don. I think your conclusion that other countries have a lot of fakes/forgeries is relevant. If you have access to the Serrane Guide, published by the APS, that will be a good "eye-opener" to the prevalence of forgeries, especially with early classics. Bear in mind that forgers like Fournier, Sperati, the Wondelgem individual(s), etc. were very prolific. Then there is the world of official or unofficial reprints, like the Seebecks for a number of Latin American countries. Also check out the start of the various Portuguese entries in the Scott Classic catalog.

Final thought, and then I'll let others weigh in, is the world of early Persia/Iran through about the 1920s. Even with one of the Persiphila catalogs that I bought some years ago; there are several, by the way; trying to identify that stuff is daunting. Steve
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Posted 11/03/2015   09:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jim6092252 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anything with a big value is to be suspect, through out time if there has been a way of cheating people out of money there has been just as many people trying to do it
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Posted 11/03/2015   2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicalStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don, it depends how you define 'most'.

It is most different forgeries? Then the early eagle issue of Albania comes to mind. More than 50 different forgeries.

It is the ratio of forgeries to genuine? There are several countries where >99% are forgeries/reprints. Examples are Basel, Burshire & Papal State.

Is it the most difficult to recognize forgeries?

For US-based collectors, I think the most dangerous is the superb repair jobs out there.
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Posted 11/03/2015   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As Floortrader has recently illustrated, overprints (including specimens and legitimate errors of overprint) with high cat value have been frequently forged over the course of time. I have seen this often in Commonwealth philately.
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Posted 11/03/2015   4:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Japan.
It is said that 80% of the classic Japanese stamps found in general collections are forgeries.
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Posted 11/03/2015   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, good point ClassicalStamps; I was defining 'most' as the most frequently found in today's marketplace. For US stamps I think that the Washington/Franklins are about tied with part perf revenues as the most likely group to be faked/forged. For the most common single US stamp to be faked/forged… I think that the imperf #315 might be a good candidate.

Worldwide I have often heard that Persian stamps frequently fake/forgeries but have not spent any time learning this interesting part of the world. I have always just mounted them and figured that anything with a value over $10 is questionable. I have been astounded to see the number of faked postal cancels are applied to fiscally used Rhodesian higher value stamps in the marketplace.

As a general category, I assume that fake overprints and cancel stamps are more predominate than a forged stamp (since they are easier to fake). I also assume that trimmed perf and reperfs are more common than either of those.
Don
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Posted 11/03/2015   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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For US stamps I think that the Washington/Franklins are about tied with part perf revenues as the most likely group to be faked/forged. For the most common single US stamp to be faked/forged… I think that the imperf #315 might be a good candidate.

Those may be the most likely to be manipulated to deceive collectors, but the reprints, forgeries, and bogus issues of the carrier and local post stamps are far more plentiful. There was just a lot with over 3,800 local post forgeries in the last Rumsey auction.
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Posted 11/04/2015   03:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don and others, I generally collect British (Empire) South/Central and Eastern Africa pre-1935. Forgeries and reprints are rife in many of these countries. Transvaal is by far the worst, and could be studied for years: Sperati, Fournier and Oneglia have all been there. Stamps are forged, overprints are forged, covers are forged.

Mafeking is also rife with forgeries, many of which were brought home by soldiers who were themselves involved in the siege.

All Stellaland postal issues were forged within a couple of years of issue, more than likely by the company in Cape Town which printed the original stamps!

Whole issues like Schweizer Renecke, Rustenburg and Wolmaransstadt are surrounded by an air of dubious legality. Many of thre commanding officers were also keen timbrologists.

Orange Free State has also been forged, although not as extensively as I would have expected given the high proportion of overprints in this country's issues.

Griqualand West is easy ground for the forger, and caveat emptor for buying these on auction sites. I have as many forgeries as genuine stamps!

Moving further north, the British Central Africa 1895 high values (£1-£10) are widely forged but easily recogniseable. Many forgeries exist of the British East Africa Company "Light and Liberty" issues, both overprinted and unoverprinted. Oddly enough, there are very, very few forgeries on the market of the much more collectible "Mombasa Provisionals" (SG 20-26) which were issued as manuscript surcharges in 1891 as the British East Africa Company was going down the pan, even though these seem to me to be much easier to produce. As you have seen in an earlier post, Sudan overprints (SG 1-9) are widely forged, as are most of the early Egypt issues from 1866 to 1875.

My absolute favourite forgeries are two Zululand stamps (illustrated), which illustrates the sheer ingenuity and creative genius of the forger. These are originally from Ceylon, have been bleached and the new colours applied. However, the postmark is the giveaway, as these types of postmark were never used in Zululand.

Cleaned high value fiscal stamps are commonly found in Natal, Rhodesia (British South Africa Company), British Central Africa / Nyasaland and the many manifestations of East Africa. Oddly enough, Bechuanaland's high value stamps fiscally used don't appear very often as cleaned fiscals, possibly because the stamps themselves are light in colour and can't be cleaned easily without raising suspicions.

Court cancellations, fiscal and diplomatic cancellations are often passed off as genuine postal cancellations in Rhodesia, British Central Africa and Kenya & Uganda. I've bought several of these items only to find out later that I had been deceived.

Elsewhere, it seems that anything with an overprint will be forged: Crete, Batum (don't buy anything at all from Batum unless you have a recent certificate!), early Ethiopia, early Estonia and all of the Caucasian state issues 1918-1926. Iceland, fortunately, is largely off the radar although Sperati has forged the first 1873 definitive issue (very collectible if you can find them). Some of the Iceland "I GILDI" overprints are suspect although these are more likely to be contemporary philatelic creations rather than later forgeries.

I have a small "back of the book" section on forgeries. It's not as extensive as some other members on this forum, but it's fun to keep them quarantined and safe.

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Posted 11/04/2015   03:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Australia colonies, Map of Australia & Kangaroo, King George V.+ Commemoratives of that era as well.

Perfins, overprints and Post Marks.

Sadly Perfin "OS" hurts the most. Always looking for cancel ink in the perfin hole with used examples.

Good luck when it comes to mint with Perfin "OS" forgeries.
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Posted 11/04/2015   04:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don - interesting thread
Tim - excellent info, thanks for sharing.

Classical stamps already mentioned Papal states. Unfortunately it seems all the other former Italian is heavily forged, similarly German states. I have myself not dived to deep into identifying them, but guess there is no way around it. Luckily there are lots of material available online for detecting these forgeries, so one of these days I need to start dividing the good from the bad. I am afraid several of my specimens will go into the bad category...

Does anyone have some reference when it comes to forgeries on GB stamps? My feeling is the classic GB is not plagued by forgeries to the same extent as most other classical stamps, do you share that opinion?

Jon
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Posted 11/04/2015   09:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the US area, beware of flat plate coil stamps - any from SC 348 to SC 447. If they don't have a certificate, ALL of them are probably fake - whether from online, stamp shows, or your local dealer.
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Belgium semi-postals of 1914, the Merode Monument set is extensively forged, but the Albert I Red Cross issue has better than 95% of the stamps currently circulating forged.
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