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Significance Of 12/31/51 Postmark In Hawaii

 
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Posted 11/15/2015   9:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add johnconn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found a group of ten postal cards (Scott #UX27) with a Honolulu, Hawaii, postmark of 12 pm on December 31, 1951, and the slogan "Build Your Future Wisely, Safely U.S. Savings Bonds." Each of the postal cards is unaddressed and blank on the reverse, which possibly suggests a commemorative postmark. Any idea on what was being commemorated?

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Posted 11/15/2015   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is the last day of the 1 cent postcard/postal-card rate.
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Posted 11/15/2015   10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnconn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
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Posted 11/15/2015   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnconn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, being the furthest west in the US, the person was attempting to create the last US penny postal cards properly postmarked.
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Posted 11/16/2015   08:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Strange that he didn't go later in the day.

EDIT: Perhaps the P.O. closed at noon?
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Edited by KGB - 11/16/2015 09:05 am
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While Guam is "Where America's Day Begins" (on the far side of The International Date Line), there were other (then) possessions further west of Hawaii.

So it would have been hard to be "the last US penny postal cards properly postmarked", as someone in Hawaii would have known.

I think it was just the last day at the old rate. On his lunch hour.

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Posted 11/16/2015   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnconn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, American Samoa, which is one-hour behind Hawaii, would be the candidate. Guam, as you point out, Northern Mariana, Marshall Islands (then a territory), Palau (then a territory) and Micronesia (then a territory) are all across the international date line.

Your lunch hour theory sounds sound. Despite sub-optimal execution by the collector, the cards may still represent the latest postmark that survives. It might take some doing to find a 12/31/51 American Samoan postmark on a one cent after 11:00 am. The population was under 20,000 at the time. Of course, there also could well be a card from Hawaii (population of 498,000 in 1950) lying around postmarked later than high noon.
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Posted 11/16/2015   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, if someone farther west (relatively speaking) mailed a postcard after noon on their December 31, 1951, it would be a later example?

EDIT: Further? Farther?
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Posted 11/16/2015   10:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnconn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would think so. Despite the exotic Pacific locales discussed above, the likely last postmark is from Los Angeles in the late evening.
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Posted 11/16/2015   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
john, it's your mission to find it! (Wink.)
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So, if someone farther west (relatively speaking) mailed a postcard after noon on their December 31, 1951, it would be a later example?

EDIT: Further? Farther?

If you were really speaking "relatively" you would use "further." But you are actually referring to literal distances, so "farther west" is correct. Associate "farther" with "far" and think of literal distances. Reserve "further" for metaphorical or qualitative comparisons (whether time, distances, or other comparisons).
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Posted 11/16/2015   11:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Basil!
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Posted 11/16/2015   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Re farther/further: I am relieved that I was correct. I am further relieved that I did not need to explain 'why'. Thanks, Basil!


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Ah, American Samoa, which is one-hour behind Hawaii, would be the candidate.


Let's not forget Johnston Island, Ponape, Midway ... all of which lie west of Hawaii, east of the Date Line (if memory serves), and offered US postmarks in 1951.

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Edited by ikeyPikey - 11/16/2015 11:38 am
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Posted 11/16/2015   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add johnconn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGB - I like the early closure conjecture. It's New Year's Eve in the tropics, pre-statehood. Let's shut 'er down.
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Posted 11/16/2015   12:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the counter to the early closure argument is that, in these informal places so far from DC, it is relatively easy to get a postal clerk to do you a favor, and backdate the card.
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This appears to be nothing more than a hand-back request done at the time indicated. Dec 31, 1951 was a Monday. Businesswise, I don't see any way a large P.O. could get permission to close early - especially on the last business day of the year. Many large offices also had 24-hour window service in the Main P.O. or at transportation hubs. Backdating is highly unlikely too, as shenanigans like that would cost a job.
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