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Posted 01/13/2016   03:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Menno to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a German stamp 20 Pf Mi. 87 hand stamped 25 paras.
Especially the S after Para wonders me. Does anybody knows from which German region this stamp is

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Posted 01/13/2016   07:33 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
German post offices in the Ottoman Empire overprinted German stamps in paras and piastres. However, the 20pf stamp is overprinted in 1 piastre. This looks handwritten, rather than hand-stamped.
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Posted 01/13/2016   07:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Menno to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also thought of the Ottoman Empire but as you wrote 20 Pf is with 1 Piastre. Also there is never an S after Para for the Ottoman Empire stamps.
Maybe it's handwritten. Cancel is on top of the 25 paras text/stamp
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Posted 01/13/2016   11:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have a photo handy, but the official overprints for offices in Turkey don't look like this. Michel doesn't list any overprints that look anything like this one, so if this is indeed from Germany's post offices in Turkey, this must have been done locally, or even by a collector after the fact.
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Posted 01/13/2016   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is completely bogus,

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Posted 01/13/2016   12:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if it is 'bogus,' but it certainly isn't an official overprint (nor does it try to appear so in my opinion.) I wonder if we'll ever know the history behind this one.
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Posted 01/14/2016   2:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vacallo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you look, the text "25 paras" is written over the cancellation.
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Posted 01/14/2016   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If you look, the text "25 paras" is written over the cancellation.


Looks to me that the cancellation is actually on top of the "25 paras" text
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Posted 01/14/2016   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The machine cancellation indicates that this 20 pfennig stamp was used in Germany. Whether or not the fraudster wrote "25 PARAS" on it before or after it was used is irrelevant.
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Posted 01/14/2016   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Looks to me that the cancellation is actually on top of the "25 paras" text


No, looks the opposite on my home computer!
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Posted 01/14/2016   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I repeat completely bogus.

The cancel ends in G, there were no German Post Offices in Turkey that ends with a G, there are most probably 100's in Germany,

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Posted 01/14/2016   5:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps are often use or misuse as revenue stamps , I'm not saying it's the case here, but if it was the case they can have locally overprint anything.


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Also there is never an S after Para for the Ottoman Empire stamps.


so what is this ?



German will not use Paras with a s but British yes




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Posted 01/16/2016   07:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Menno to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cancellation is on top of the 25 paras
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Posted 01/16/2016   07:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Menno to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
British post office employe using a German stamp???
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Posted 01/16/2016   11:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Over and over again at SCF we see someone presenting his or her unique and rare provisional or plate flaw. Interestingly, theirs is always the only copy in a popular collecting area that has been researched and studied for a long time. It nevers occurs to the owner, or they can't accept the fact that what they have is a crude fabrication.

How many machine cancelling devices were used in the German Offices in the Ottoman Empire? The answer: zero.

If one of these phantom/nonexistent machine cancellors were miraculously discovered to have been used 100 years later, what town/city in the Ottoman Empire where Germany had a post office had a name ended in a "G '? The answer: There are none. Again, zero possibility.

If you disagree and believe that this is a unique and rare provisional, you should send it to a Bundespruefer in Germany to confirm your belief. You can find these expertizers on the website. They are connected with the Bund Deutscher Philatelisten.
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Posted 01/17/2016   05:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So parts of the word paras is in blue and others in black or it's seems the blue as been printed over the black . Look on the s it's more obvious
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