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R112A... Found This In A Bulk Of Revenues... Pain

 
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Posted 02/04/2016   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rgstamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
One of those weird moments when your browsing for first time through a large collection of stamps from an old-timers collection that you acquired for peanuts...hoping to find that one GREAT stamp!.

then of course you find a stamp off to the side in an album, notice it is inverted....pulse rate goes up...lift up the stamp and the word "fake" is written underneath on the album page.

It amazes me the effort that some people go through to fake this stuff. How it is done I have no idea???? I guess they cut out the face and replace it. Anyone have any idea the method to fake an invert so collectors know what to look for under mag.

Regarding this stamp, the back gives it away. I have no experience collecting revenues, but they are beautiful stamps. I collect mainly US 19th and early 20th century. Enjoy the fake!

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Posted 02/04/2016   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
here is the back... wonder how that large ink dot (?) plays into it

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Posted 02/04/2016   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I picked these from same lot of stamps to post. I have no experience with revenues, but I think the singles are R34b, R41a, and R80c ??? According to scott catalog they do seem to have some value. Is my assumption correct?

The pair I don't quite understand: pair R1b (?) should it not be perforated on the sides, not top and bottom. Was it an imperf pair, with perf added top and bottom. Why ruin a beautiful imperf pair of similar value? Perhaps its a R1c pair with perfs removed from sides. Were the sheets made imperf down the middle?

Help!

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Posted 02/04/2016   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This example was created by cutting out the center and inverting it. The front gives it away instantly.
However there are fake inverted centers that are much more dangerous. they were made in the 1890's by taking a normal stamp, bleaching out the vignette, and using an unissued essay version to print the center (there were 3 vignettes created, the first two were not used). The two essay vignettes were sold as scrap metal during the various mergers of the banknote companies that became part of ABNCO over the years.
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Posted 02/04/2016   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 1 cent express is a part perf pair, and a very nice one at that. Any part perf listed in Scott with an asterisk comes both ways, imperf horizontally and imperf vertically.
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Posted 02/04/2016   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 10 cent contract is almost guaranteed to be altered, trimmed top and bottom from a perforated stamp. It's the wrong shade and impression, the margins are too close, and the 1865 date is too late. The 20 cent might be good but it's very hard to tell without seeing it because the shade and impression are correct but the margins are very tight. There were perforated stamps issued in that shade and impression as well, so it would have to be looked at more closely.
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Posted 02/04/2016   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the more I look at front of the invert, I can see where it was cut. But how do they seal it back in the middle without glue or some other adhesive? It amazes me that this stuff can be done with such a fragile piece of paper. You would think it would all just fall apart at some point. Perhaps I'm clumsy but I would go crazy trying to work with something so delicate.
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Posted 02/04/2016   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They probably rebacked the stamp with another one.
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Posted 02/05/2016   9:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kingstonstamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know the feeling many times you and say what the ?
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Posted 02/05/2016   10:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revcoll: Thanks for help... Agree that 10c contract looks trimmed.
These part perf stamps are tough to identify accurately unless Imperf margins are wide.
Must take lots of experience
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Posted 02/06/2016   12:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not just margins; the shade, impression, paper, and date of use are also important.
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