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Posted 05/04/2016   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Leejb1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
per Scott Poland # 154 this stamp should be slate blue, there are various perf's from 9 1/4 to 14 which these 2 stamps show.

do any other catalogs list more than just the one color



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Posted 05/04/2016   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found this. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Poland Unlisted (Mi162) like 154 except green-blue color, 18 perforations across

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/dev...rainbows.htm
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Posted 05/04/2016   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Leejb1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGB

thank you
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These are from a time that most stamp issues are printed in lots of different shades, even here in the US. That was mainly because most stamps were issued and printed over an extended period of time and the science of printing ink was not as sophisticated as it is nowadays.

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The ink color/formulation changes over time are specified by year date, cataloged, and priced by Michel Deutschland-Spezial for the early German issues. This is one reason the Michel D-S catalog is so highly thought of by collectors.
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Ooh boy -"Perhaps the most complicated stamp issue of all time" is how James Mackay introduced an article on this little set of stamps.

First, a bit of history. The Poles stopped the Bolshevik westward advance at Warsaw on Aug. 14 1920 by decisively defeating the Red Army, & a peace treaty was signed between the two at Riga, Latvia, on Mar 18 1921

The Poles decided to commemorate this with a set of 3 stamps all having a common design of a peasant sowing a ploughed field. On the left, a sword stuck into the earth symbolising the relinquishment of warfare. A rainbow behind portending better times, & the Polish eagle on a shield completing the design. The 3 values of 10, 15 & 20 Marks were issued sometime around May 1921, although the exact dates are unknown. The 10 & 20 Mark values were reprinted from smaller dies in 1922. For some reason Scott does not list the smaller dies.

Sower "Peace With Russia" Fischer 125-127, Scott 154-155A



The 10 Mk value is the most complex. Of the larger first die (28x22mm) there are 7 colour, 4 paper & 33 perf varieties listed, not in all combinations but nevertheless a bewildering amount.

Colours listed in the Polish catalogues are - matt dark blue, dark blue, blue, light blue, grey blue, greenish blue, & something called 'bladoniebieski' which translates as 'periwinkle-blue'.

Papers are listed as - vertically laid, white wove, bluish wove & thin.

The perforations are going to give you nightmares & range in combination between 9 & 14.5. All the Polish definitives from 1919-1924 have numerous perf varieties. In an article on Austrian machines used on Polish stamps, reference is made to two workers who were tracked down & reminisced about helping transfer 20-30 old Austrian perforators to Warsaw in 1919. Some were pedal-powered, others, more modern electric ones. One of the workers stated "...as far as I heard, Czechoslovakia got better quality machines & more modern..."

The smaller die (27.2x21.5mm) is much easier, only two colours - greenish-blue & dark blue, two papers - white wove & thick spongy, but 45 perf combinations are listed, again between 9 & 14.5.

THAT'S THE EASY PART.

There are 5 sub-types of the larger die of the 10 Mk. depending on how the rays in the rainbow meet, or are cut away from, the face & the hilt of the sword. This, on top of all the colours, papers & perfs...

The 15 & 20 Mk values are somewhat easier re. colours & papers, but just as bad re perfs (no sub-types here though).

To finish, a couple of single uses of the 10 Mk which was the Polish domestic letter rate up to 20 gms - Sept 1 1921- June 30 1922

Jan 1 1922 Kowel to Lublin, on military matters - Large die


June 19 1922 Lodz to Warsaw - Small die


Note that the 10 Mk Postage-Due (Doplata)is not for deficient postage but rather the Poate-Restante fee
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YeaPolska

Thank for the background on the these stamps.

Scott has a lot to be desired

Lee
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