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Possible Inverted Russian 7 Kopek

 
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Posted 05/17/2016   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add flipacoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm baseing my opinion on the diagnostics such as the alignment and vertically laid paper and also from pictures that have been referenced. I included a picture of an 7 kopek invert from Cherrystone Auctions.Please give me your much appreciated opinions. THANKS! Jonathan






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Posted 05/17/2016   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Jonathan, but I'm confused (which isn't always difficult)
I see the 14k stamp in the bottom picture has an inverted background, but the 7k stamp in that image is just upside down, isn't it?
The eagle emblem and the back ground on that stamp, as with yours, are both orientated the same way.
What am I missing here?
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Posted 05/17/2016   2:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add flipacoin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the eagle emblem is correct. It's the groundwork that I believe to be inverted. I will locate a reference to post.
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Posted 05/17/2016   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add flipacoin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Ok, I see what you're saying. I would think, looking at the inverted stamp on the link that yours is not one. I see how the circles of the background are showing a little offset in the denomination areas. But I have four of these, and they look the same in mine as well. What you need to look at is the background under the centre oval where the tonal dots should be missing. That area would have been under the crown at the top.
They are present on your stamp, as they are on all of mine. I think what you are seeing on your stamp is just poor registration.


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Edited by jamesw - 05/17/2016 2:40 pm
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In the Cherrystone Auctions picture the 14k is inverted. Looking at the image, the center eagle is upside down (note the posthorns at the top). I am not sure if a center eagle invert is the same as the inverted groundwork.
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Edited by DCStamps - 05/17/2016 3:01 pm
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I see what you're saying jamesw about the crown. There are other groundwork invert russian stamps with no tonal dots missing and that is confusing. If you don't mind I'll post one and tell me what you see. I'm learning something here:)
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Posted 05/17/2016   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add flipacoin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link to an invert and I can't see it.
http://stampauctionnetwork.com/f/114/1329.jpg
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Posted 05/17/2016   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I don't know what I'm looking at there either. I'm no expert on Russian stamps, I just look at the image and try to figure what isn't right. Perhaps in this case you need to find an example of one that is correct, so you have something to compare with.
I see something happening in the linear background to the right of the denomination (some lines missing?) but I'm really in the dark with regards to this. We really need a point of reference.
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The groundwork covers different areas on different stamps. In your example, the groundwork does not cover the crown and the numeral tablets. Therefore, if the groundword was inverted, you should see the "white" opening in the groundwork as circled in the post by jamesw. Well done, James!
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Posted 05/17/2016   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add flipacoin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes that is true but there are other inverts where are the groundwork covers the crown.http://www.stampauctioncentral.com/f/52/668.jpg
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It's difficult to tell from your new image what to see, the details are lost. If you can post the original auction page, perhaps that would help. They seem to be clearer there.
I'm wondering if you are confusing a simple shift in registration (the background in your new image seems to have shifted up quite a bit) with an inverted background.
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Posted 05/17/2016   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed. The image is too small. Please post auction link. Any determination of inverted groundwork relies on clear good resolution images. The picture in your OP is very dark and low contrast. A scan with better contrast is preferable.

I also agree with James that perhaps you are confusion misregistration between the groundwork and main stamp design, with an inverted groundwork.

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