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Media Mail- Is There A USPS Crackdown

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Posted 06/18/2016   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The rules for media mail do change as the years go by. Sometimes clerks are not aware of the subtle changes (seriously, with apologies to the writers, the DMM is not the most enjoyable reading). Likewise, there is a lot of misinformation out there among consumers as well.

People also get confused between Media Mail and Library Mail, which are similar but not the same.

Always go by the current rules. The relevant section of the DMM (Section 173) is available online at http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm. Disregard all references to DMM 173.3.2 that are often cited (even on the USPS website), because that is from the old version and that subsection no longer exists!

In a nutshell, YES YOU MAY include an invoice in Media Mail without additional charge other than weight. This is the relevant section:


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6.0 Enclosures and Attachments for both Media Mail and Library Mail

6.3 Invoice

An invoice, whether it also serves as a bill, may be placed either inside a Media Mail or Library Mail piece or in an envelope marked "Invoice Enclosed" and attached to the outside of the piece if the invoice relates solely to the matter with which it is mailed. The invoice may show this information:

a. Names and addresses of the sender and addressee.

b. Names and quantities of the articles enclosed, descriptions of each (e.g., price, tax, style, stock number, size, and quality, and, if defective, nature of defects).

c. Order or file number, date of order, date and manner of shipment, shipping weight, postage paid, and initials or name of packer or checker.


The confusion some people/clerks have is with Section 6.4 regarding enclosure/attachment of Incidental First Class Mail:


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6.4 Incidental First-Class Mail Attachments and Enclosures

Incidental First-Class Mail matter may be enclosed in or attached to any Media Mail or Library Mail piece without payment of First-Class Mail postage. An incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure must be matter that, if mailed separately, would require First-Class Mail postage, is closely associated with but secondary to the host piece, and is prepared so as not to interfere with postal processing. An incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure may be a bill for the product or publication, a statement of account for past products or publications, or a personal message or greeting included with a product, publication, or parcel. Postage at the Media Mail or Library Mail price for the host piece is based on the combined weight of the host piece and the incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure.


Incidental First Class Mail is permitted in Media Mail without having to pay First Class rate. (note the first line in Subsection 173.6.4)

Clerks now often make 2 mistakes based on some older versions of the DMM: 1) mistake invoices for First Class Mail; 2) mistake Incidental First Class mail for First Class Mail.

To add insult to injury, they make the huge mistake of assuming if one part does not qualify, then the entire package does not qualify. There is an exception for Incidental First Class Mail.

Clerks are in error if they make you mail the entire package as Parcel Post just because you enclosed an invoice (Media Mail eligible) or non-Incidental First Class Mail (you pay additional First Class rate for only the unqualified part!). The first line of Subsection 173.6.2 states this very clearly. In the quote below, I have omitted the long list of exceptions that do not require payment)


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6.2 Written Additions

Markings that have the character of personal correspondence require, with certain exceptions, additional postage at the First-Class Mail prices. The following written additions and enclosures do not require additional First-Class Mail postage:...


So in most cases, if you have non-Incidental First Class Mail enclosed/attached, that basically means tacking on an additional 47¢ (current First Class 1 oz rate).

Sorry about the long post, but there were just too many different misunderstandings to address.
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Edited by khj - 06/18/2016 12:41 pm
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Posted 06/18/2016   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Crouse27 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you take the receipt and the regulation back to the clerk and ask for partial refund? Maybe they are worried about being closed down as an unnecessary branch, but if they boost their revenues might get to keep their jobs?

Of course if you take all your business to the next branch instead, then that location is actually more likely to be closed down. Money talks.

Either way sounds like you are better equipped now.
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Posted 06/18/2016   11:08 pm  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I think they were worried about abuse of media Mail. I probably am not the only shipper using it. She did say something along the lines of them being just a service for their customers and they have to be sure people are not abusing it. I think I will just take my stuff someplace else in the future. There are two other locations within driving distance for this store chain and I maybe can start wearing out my welcome there. :)
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Posted 06/19/2016   03:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My apologies to 1typesetter and Battlestamps, who earlier had linked/quoted DMM 173. I should have credited your earlier posts.

The scroll button on my mouse has been jumping a lot recently, so some posts just fly by and I don't realize I skipped a few posts. I need to get a new scroll mouse.
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Posted 08/17/2016   10:03 am  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Update, I had a couple of large heavy boxes with items I'd been shipping previously as Media Mail and took them to the Customer service counter at another Supermarket- not as close as the one I'd been going to but wanted to see what happened. No issues, none at all. Like I said this was one mail Nazi at the other location. I did go back to that other location few days ago and mailed three packages, none with MM. Again, I got the clear feeling they don't want me bringing stuff in. This is a store we spend maybe $1200 a month in.

I think I will drive a few minutes more and start shopping at the other store. What goes around..
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Posted 08/17/2016   3:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had 5 Scott catalogs sent me via Media mail. 3 were partially opened. Two of them almost got soaked because of a coming rainstorm. You would think if they open up the packaging they could seal it back up again.
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Posted 08/17/2016   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ekbustad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I had 5 Scott catalogs sent me via Media mail....


My understanding was that Scott catalogs are not allowed to be sent via Media Mail because of the advertisements within the pages.
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Posted 08/17/2016   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobplates to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can an album with pages and no stamps in it be sent via Media Mail?

Bob
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Posted 08/17/2016   8:35 pm  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bob- I wonder too.

I am getting killed on shipping fees for used albums; others selling this stuff openly say shipping is 'Media Mail.' I had to ask $20 shipping on a set of used hingeless album pages recently, I got only $29 for a desirable lot because of the high shipping charge. At that, I still had to pay a coupe bucks extra. I'd have been better off donating to Boys Town.
ebay needs to clarify this- if this is a no no, then don't allow vendors to run listings for this stuff at media rates.
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Edited by Stamps1962 - 08/17/2016 8:36 pm
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Posted 08/19/2016   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jarnick to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've done a lot of Media Mailings selling philatelic literature on ebay. My understanding is that Scott catalogues are not eligible for the Media Mail rate because of the advertising and albums do not qualify because they are not media. I've also been told that USPS would love to get rid of the Media Mail rate and may be looking for abuses to justify its elimination. The use or misuse of the Media Mail rate is problem of the USPS and the shipper, ebay has nothing to do with it.
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Edited by jarnick - 08/19/2016 8:32 pm
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Posted 08/20/2016   06:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My experience is also dependent upon which USPS facility is being used. I have stopped supporting the closest USPS (Flat Rock N.C.) due to their customer service. Instead I usually drive a bit further and use the Zirconia N.C. PO. It is a very small office with limited hours but the people there are fantastic. Lately I have been mailing a lot of Media Mail (Studebaker books and literature) and I get no push back from Zirconia, at Flat Rock I get the third degree and stank eye.

I also have fond nostalgic memories with the Zirconia PO. Although it is now in a new building, back in the 1970s it was located in the front room of a 1910 two story wooden house. The small office, with its wooden floors and brass PO boxes, felt like you had walked back into the 1920s. The female postmaster was kind and would always find the time to assist a stamp collector. I often purchased plate blocks that she would save for me and she even sold me her sheet of 1/2C Postage Dues (J88).
Don

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The impact of high shipping costs can be partially offset by purchasing discount postage. Larger lots on ebay are likely to sell at 60 to 80 percent of face depending on the type of stamps. Dealers are continuing to drop percentage of face paid for collections and accumulations. Some dealers at shows will sell discount postage at steep discounts in lots at shows or bourses as long as no picking of individual items is involved. Higher value stamps command more of a premium, but larger Media Mail or Priority Mail packages will absorb a significant number of lower denomination stamps. Packages weighing more than 13 ounces must be presented at the post office for mailing.
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Posted 08/21/2016   09:33 am  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The issue for me in using discount postage for shipping is- how? If I have a package that costs $15-20 to mail, where do I place all those stamps? We've all received mailings plastered with low value old stamps with barely room for the address to peek out. It's doable, I suppose. Nearly all the lots of older postage on ebay consist of lower face values. I seldom see any dollar values. It must take up an hour or so of someone's time to calculate the stamps needed then to arrange them on a package.
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If I were a seller who commonly needed multiple dollars worth of postage on a single shipment, I'd buy several dozen of the 2013 $2 Inverted Jenny miniature sheets. Not only would I get the postage I need but I might just get lucky enough to score one or more of the remaining sheets with the Jenny flying right-side-up.
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