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Fake Or Real Deal? Weird Cover

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Posted 07/19/2016   09:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kachidousa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi I wanted some input on the cover. It looks weird somewhat faked.
What do you guys think? I might buy it. Thanks so much.
P.S. The reason I asked is that there are stamps from different years so far apart.

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Posted 07/19/2016   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does not look faked to me. Is there any markings on the back?

Peter
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Posted 07/19/2016   10:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An interesting cover; contains stamps from over a 25-30 year period? At best a philatelic creation.
Don
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Is this same person who sent the cover?

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Posted 07/19/2016   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not faked. Just philatelic.
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Posted 07/19/2016   12:21 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if I agree it's philatelic. When we paste a bunch of 3c, 6c and 10c postage on a cover are we creating a philatelic cover? Didn't they use old unused postage in the 1930s like we do now?
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Posted 07/19/2016   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not agree with KRelyea. We create philatelic covers every day. I use the 'Classic Forever' stamps on mail and that is philatelic - the public can not buy these stamps easily.
I still would love to see the back of this cover - since it was registered there should be something somewhere?

Peter
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Posted 07/19/2016   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a stamp dealer's philatelic cover to me.
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Posted 07/19/2016   1:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kachidousa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought from ebay today. I havent got the pics for back of it. It just had front but should receive in a few days.
Thanks so much for all the information.
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Posted 07/19/2016   2:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
None of the postmarks touches the envelope. How about the tarif of 18 Cents, is that ok?
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Posted 07/19/2016   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let's wait until the cover gets to the buyer. No sense in doing this if we do not have the envelope yet,

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Posted 07/19/2016   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a tariff at all. That word does not really apply to US postal history.

The 5 cent Teddy Roosevelt stamp puts this in the 1920s or later. Depending of the exact date, the basic registry fee would be 10 or 15 cents, and postage would be 2 or 3 cents per ounce if mailed into the 1930s.

Each collector seems to have a different definition of what is a "philatelic" cover, but that is a tangent for another day.
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Posted 07/19/2016   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's philatelic if only because six of the seven stamps are used long out of period, even given that the rate is correct. Unused old postage did not remotely get used in the 30's the way they do today except by some dealers. Almost all of these have poor centering and are probably thin or perhaps NG or some other defect.
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Posted 07/19/2016   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Totally philatelic given how out of date most of the stamps are. It would be plausible as ordinary use if one or two of the stamps were the previous issues, but given how out of date most of these are it is not at all plausible that it would be anything other than philatelic. This is further reinforced by the fact that the sender was a dedicated and advanced philatelist as evidenced by the philatelic book he authored.
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Posted 07/19/2016   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kollectorkurt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ahhh... the "philatelic cover" yet another piece of collecting we all can not quite agree on! If 18-cents is the correct rate for this Registered letter, then in my mind it is not a philatelic cover, regardless as to sender or recipient. I get mail daily from fellow collectors and dealers, and I mail out my club's monthly newsletter - all using discount postage, stamps "long out of period." These aren't philatelic covers as the mail is being used for its designed purpose. To me, a philatelic cover is one designed to obtain specific markings, dating, forwarding, return, etc.
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Posted 07/19/2016   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kachidousa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
O.K. Thanks for all the Information Given. Im new at covers but I love them So. I have so many more to share.
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Posted 07/19/2016   10:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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To me, a philatelic cover is one designed to obtain specific markings, dating, forwarding, return, etc.


A philatelic cover by definition is an envelope prepared with a stamp(s) and address and sent through the mail delivery system for the purpose of creating a collectible item.

"Stamp on cover. This is a cover that is collected as an example of a given stamp postally used on a cover, however older stamps with recent cancellations are usually philatelic (mailed with the intention of recovering and collecting the item)."

"The introduction to the Scott catalogs warns: "An example of a warning to collectors is a stamp that used has a value considerably higher than the unused version. Here, the collector is cautioned to be certain the used version has a readable, contemporaneous cancellation."


contemporaneous "existing or happening during the same time period"

I agree, 100% philatelic. But that shouldn't affect it's curiosity appeal.
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