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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 01/31/2021   10:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SSlava to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In general, if I correctly understood their answer, there are practically no original such stamps on the market. There are official reprints for the needs of collectors (who are now selling), and there are unofficial reprints with fake Egyptian seals, like mine.
That is, if I correctly understood everything, almost one reprint is on sale, there are almost no original postage stamps with original cancellations)).
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Edited by SSlava - 01/31/2021 10:54 am
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Posted 01/31/2021   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SSlava to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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The stamp of SSlava is a forgery.The word TOTAL is to big and is in line with the Taxe.TOTAL should be shifted to the right. The M is narrow,spacing of POSTE LOCALE is to narrow,should be closer to the frames.


I deleted several posts. Sorry, you're right after all. This is an unofficial reprint (there are a few more official reprints.)
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Posted 01/31/2021   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For an idea of what they look like on covers.Spink auction pages 129,130,131
https://issuu.com/spinkandson/docs/11028/126
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Posted 01/31/2021   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link Perf12,
Looks like a great Auction catalogue,
Personally, I am not taken by this new "flip a page" ISSUU (Issue?)
I find it clunky, and getting up close, the images pixellate.
Prefer *.pdf's

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Posted 01/31/2021   6:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The unused genuine examples are not too hard to find, genuinely used is almost impossible without deep pockets and a reputable broker.
Here are mine. Click on an item to get the zoomed images.
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Posted 01/31/2021   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
....and mine.
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Posted 06/27/2021   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Greetings!
I have been working on Turkey lately and have come up with some questions that I didn't se addressed in this thread. I apologize if they are, and I just missed them (It's a fairly lengthy thread).

The first question concerns the Mustafa Kemal Pasha issues. I THINK I have all of mine correctly sorted and identified, except the following one.

These are both suppose to be the 3k "yellow brown" (sans umlaut), Scott #1120. The righthand stamp is the one I believe is correct for the Sc #, and is perf 12.
The lefthand stamp is more yellow orange, and resembles closer the color of Scott #1021, and is perf 10.25 x 11.5.

Am I missing something? Are these just 2 different shades of the same stamp? Or chemically tainted?
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Posted 06/27/2021   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp on the left is Scott 1021 (1950-51), and the one on the right is Scott 743 (1938).
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Posted 06/27/2021   1:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
shermae - I was under the impression both of those have the umlaut over the "U" of CUMHURIYETI. But it wouldn't be the first time I misinterpreted the Scott catalog.
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Posted 06/27/2021   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Spain- you would be correct for the set starting with Scott 1117B. The 1950-51 set had the exact same design as the one from 1931-42. The 1953-56 printings had the umlaut changed.

And for the adventurous philatelist there is even more fun to be had.
There were at least 2 printings of most values in the first set- one printing done in Istanbul and the other in London. I had copies of catalog pages from a Turkish catalog with this info but can't put my hands on them for the moment. The differences can be seen in the paper and gum.
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Edited by shermae - 06/27/2021 6:42 pm
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Posted 06/27/2021   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Spain 1850,
Your stamps are very weird
I have not seen anything like it before.
Neither stamp looks familiar, is your scanner working OK?

I agree both should be 1120, but the colours are wrong.
I'll have to dig out my albums, and post back.

I could understand the umlauts missing due to an overink problem
but the colours?
Your 3k is way too bright for brown orange.


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Edited by rod222 - 06/27/2021 7:37 pm
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Posted 06/27/2021   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My apologies.... I am incorrect. Had them reversed in my mind (and in my excel sheet). That said, the left stamp could be 743 if the umlaut was overinked.
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Posted 06/27/2021   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, let's try this. I started wondering if the black background was having an influence on the scan, so I tried scanning the same stamps, same settings, on a white background. For good measure I added, what I have as a Sc #1021 (yellow orange), as the stamp on the far left, for comparison. Very similar in coloring.

The stamps, with my naked eye, using my Ottlite, are actually lighter in color. The stamp on the right is actually more of a lighter, yellowish brown, and the other 2 are more of a yellowish orange.

I also thought about overinking, but I would think there would be evidence elsewhere as well. The other 2 umlauts are clear and large, so I don't know.

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Posted 06/27/2021   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rather than dig out the Albums,
I took a Global text string of the 3 Kurush, in my 5000 Turkey

These look OK to my eyes as the intended colours,
I may be insensitive to how others see them, but the colours the scan gives me, is the colour as I see them.

#743 Brown Orange
#1021 Yellow Orange
#1120 Yellow Brown (Sans Umlaut)

You may also note, where a black Postmark is evident, it deepens the shade of the underlying stamp, (A common scanner result)

2 are mint unused.
Click to enlarge
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Edited by rod222 - 06/27/2021 10:10 pm
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Posted 06/27/2021   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Your 3 Kurush Claret / Deep Violet or whatever,
is a hum dinger, never seen anything like that one.

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