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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 12/04/2016   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I imagined yourself, along with Michael, to have near perfect Turkey collections.

Haha, not at all in my case.

I have quite a few Turkish stamps, especially Ottoman ones but over time they've become more and more disorganised.

The only area I have that this is essentially complete is Crete and the various foreign administrations and post offices.


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My collection is Ok, but large gaps can be seen around the PTT overprints, and the Newspaper Opts.


By chance the PTT overprints are probably my best area apart from all the 25 piastre stamps.


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Good luck with your re-start, if you need any Republic onwards, I may have duplicates, you can have for pennies.

Thanks!

I arrange my stamps on Hagner sheets so I tend not to worry too much about gaps.
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Edited by nigelc - 12/04/2016 4:57 pm
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Posted 12/04/2016   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My Turkey collection is online,Not quite current, especially with the Anatolian government issue during the revolution, but the bulk is pretty much what I have. I've been planning a revamp of the pages using the ISFILA catalog and fairly strict chronological order instead of Scott order as the current pages reflect. The pages started as Steiner, but have been extensively modded to increase the depth.



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Posted 12/04/2016   11:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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My Turkey collection is online,Not quite current, especially with the Anatolian government issue during the revolution, but the bulk is pretty much what I have. I've been planning a revamp of the pages using the ISFILA catalog and fairly strict chronological order instead of Scott order as the current pages reflect.


Nice work Billsey,
Often visited your work, when I was fumbling around in ignorance, when I started.

Alas, cannot agree with you deserting Steiner style, but each his own.

As you see, your gaps are your "want list" easily found marrying the Scott catalogue.
When I break down Minkus, I see chronological order, and it does nothing for me.

I was very pleased to see you break down the "Republican" sets to perforation varieties, Bravo!
I have glassines full, to begin doing that myself.




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Posted 12/05/2016   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1971
Sc#1894 "Set Off"
(Not Mine)




1903
Telegram Receipt: On board, an mutilated Forbin #127 10 paras Carmine revenue (1900-1910)



Unknown. Seek any information.
"Photographic essays" ?

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Edited by rod222 - 12/05/2016 9:05 pm
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Posted 12/06/2016   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've enjoyed this topic a lot so let's keep it going!

I have started my Turkey rearrangement with my very few Hatay stamps and some of the Ankara government stamps.

I take a very simple approach to layout using black Hagner sheets without any text.

I set the stamps out in SG catalogue order but make no allowance for missing stamps.

I also include extra varieties/shades/mint and used/multiples as I feel like.

Here's an example page that I've arranged this evening with some of the 1921 Ankara government stamps:

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Posted 12/06/2016   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work Nigel,
I see you are missing the Green issue, as myself.

Would your Postmark "Djida" be "Jedda" ?

Using Hagners, shall turn out to be a heavy, multiple Album collection.
Make sure your shelves are sturdy.

My Collection on light paper, is now into 4 albums, and weighing in at 6 Kg.



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Posted 12/06/2016   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Nice work Nigel,
I see you are missing the Green issue, as myself.

Thanks Rod. Yes indeed!


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Would your Postmark "Djida" be "Jedda" ?

That was my first thought too. I turned to the Arabia part of Coles & Walker but they helpfully have a note saying that it isn't.

In fact it's from Cide, a small port on the Turkish Black Sea coast, but at least Coles & Walker say postmarks from there are scarce.


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Using Hagners, shall turn out to be a heavy, multiple Album collection.
Make sure your shelves are sturdy.

You are absolutely right about that. I now have a lot of them acquired over many years.

I really like these binders. They are very robust and give good protection to the stamps even when I drop a binder.

By the way I may have given the wrong impression about my 1917 PTT overprint stamps. These include some of my better Turkish stamps but I only have a small proportion of the complete run.

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Posted 12/06/2016   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cide. Turkey. Looks beautiful indeed.
Lonely Planet




http://ourwanderland.com/black-sea-...pt-1-turkey/



Zieher Postcard (Hipstamp)

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Edited by rod222 - 12/06/2016 9:05 pm
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Posted 12/06/2016   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Sc#44 1876 "Printed on gum side"
Would this be listed in the Isfila Catalogue?
Thanks in advance.

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Posted 12/07/2016   10:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow - lots new in this thread since last I looked!

In hopefully some order:

Mostly from Rod: The 'photographic essays' - they look like cutouts from a catalog??

What's the 'green' issue?? Are we talking Turkey in Asia Scott #'58; #51; or some variation of design R2?? (or R2??)

The Scott #44 is not listed in the main Isfila - they don't list varieties like this - at all. It is listed in the specialized catalog - as an 'offset' - which is what I assume the above stamp is...

Billsey - very nice collection! Awesome pages & layout - 1st time I've seen the perf varieties laid out like that. Extremely nice format!

And last but certainly not least: Nigel! Very happy to hear you've decided to (finally!) get to Turkey! Great page & excited to see more as you get to them. Please feel free to ask - any help I could offer whenever you'd like. Especially like to see/talk about the PTT overprints - an area I've avoided for the most part, as I have not come across a definitive method to identify fakes.
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Posted 12/07/2016   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Michael,


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What's the 'green' issue?? Are we talking Turkey in Asia Scott #'58; #51; or some variation of design R2?? (or R2??)

I took this to mean Scott #58.


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The Scott #44 is not listed in the main Isfila - they don't list varieties like this - at all. It is listed in the specialized catalog - as an 'offset' - which is what I assume the above stamp is...

The design is not reversed so it's not an offset.


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And last but certainly not least: Nigel! Very happy to hear you've decided to (finally!) get to Turkey! Great page & excited to see more as you get to them. Please feel free to ask - any help I could offer whenever you'd like. Especially like to see/talk about the PTT overprints - an area I've avoided for the most part, as I have not come across a definitive method to identify fakes.

Thanks!
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Posted 12/07/2016   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What's the 'green' issue?? Are we talking Turkey in Asia Scott #'58; #51; or some variation of design R2?? (or R2??)


Oops, I was referring to Asia Scott #51

It seemed to me, to be a relatively low value stamp, but one rarely sees it for sale, or in a collection, there are stamps of other countries in that category, like the low valued "Costume" set of Austria.
They defy convention.

Liked the discussion on the "printed gum side"

The "photographic essays" I have seen occasionally fro other countries, I have some of the US, but I have no idea how these came about, or if they are genuine, or how they were used.
They would be on Photographic paper as in the old style black and white photos, not cut from a magazine.

Germany : Photographic essay



A discourse on US Photographic essays

http://www.hgitner.com/us-photo-essay.html
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Posted 12/08/2016   01:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can't offer any more info on the photo essays. Hard to tell much from the pix, but they clearly look like they've been cut/trimmed - in several places. (Are these yours? Should be able to tell much more if in your hands...)

Looked more closely at the 'printed on the gum side' stamp now. Great eyes Nigel - definitely can't be an offset as design is correct. No clue - could just be printed on wrong side? Not a great picture - other than the thumbtack hole in the middle - can't tell much. But neither catalog lists this. Cool item...

A picture of both Turkey in Asia Scott #51 & #58.





The #58 (the darker green one on the left, 3rd row from the bottom) is a very interesting stamp. Originally issued in 1914 as a Hejaz railway tax stamp. Several variations of this revenue stamp - lighter & darker shades of green, and two paper types. Then, it was used - with various overprints - by several 'governments' - including Iraq & the new Turkish government in Ankara as a postage stamp.

Lots of variations (overprint errors etc) in this and all the Ankara Govt stamps of 1920-21 - which makes them cool to collect & why it is one of my favorite areas.
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Posted 12/08/2016   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Lovely page Michael.
You have gaps too


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Are these yours?


Hipstamp.

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Posted 12/08/2016   03:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The #58 (the darker green one on the left, 3rd row from the bottom) is a very interesting stamp. Originally issued in 1914 as a Hejaz railway tax stamp. Several variations of this revenue stamp - lighter & darker shades of green, and two paper types. Then, it was used - with various overprints - by several 'governments' - including Iraq & the new Turkish government in Ankara as a postage stamp.


Wasn't aware of the paper types and shades.
Often pops up in Stamp Forum queries.
Note : Thematic "Trains on Stamps"

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