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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 01/03/2018   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see postmasterGS has provided a lot more detail already.

I would agree that for me, your stamp looks much more brownish pink than either brown or reddish-brown.

I would normally keep out of colour discussions but this one is fascinating.

Rod, could you also post your stamp on the Austrian Post Offices thread to bring that back to life?

https://goscf.com/t/57575
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Posted 01/03/2018   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yvert Classique lists perf 12 as brown (brun), or brown-rose (brun-rose), with a 25% premium for brown-rose over brown (used).

That's a nice stamp.
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Posted 01/03/2018   11:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Now that I have access to my hard-copy catalogs, I found the Michel listings that shed more light on the screenshot I posted on the previous page.

Michel lists two shades of the perf 12, brownish pink (MiNr 7ICa) and reddish brown (MiNr 7ICb). These would be the equivalent of Sc 7l and Sc 7a, respectively. So, the MiNr 7ICa shown in the screenshot would be close to the shade of Sc 7l.

As it turns out the MiNr 7IA at the left of the screenshot isn't an exact match for MiNr 7ICb, as it catalogs as brown rather than reddish brown.
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Posted 01/04/2018   03:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gentlemen,
thank you so much for responding with your opinions,
The detailed response was fabulous.

I shall make up an Album Page for the next caretaker of my collection.

I would kind of side on the side of Postmaster, however, alongside my mint Perf 10˝, it may be just a light damaged example.

It is further confusing, as my Perf 10˝ itself, does not look "brown"

I'll make up a page with your responses, and leave it in the future for the specialists.

Nigel : I was a bit dubious with the Postmarks, I have always found early postmasters being prudent with their postal strikes, seeing the existence of 3 hammer strikes, made me a tad cautious.

Scans Mint P10˝ and Perf 12.

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Edited by rod222 - 01/04/2018 03:47 am
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Posted 01/04/2018   03:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
Michel lists two shades of the perf 12, brownish pink (MiNr 7ICa) and reddish brown (MiNr 7ICb).


Cheers Postmaster.
To my eyes, I am very agreeable to the colour "Brownish Pink".



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Posted 01/04/2018   04:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Updated Page. Mostly unused.

Post Offices in the Levant~Austria
1907
Steiner Page 13.

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Posted 01/04/2018   07:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Air Post
1934
Steiner Page 60.



Air Post
1951
Steiner Page 55.



Semi Postals
1982
Steiner Page 35.

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Posted 01/04/2018   08:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Unknown.
1 Piastre Dark Blue.

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Posted 01/04/2018   08:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

This appears to be:

- SG AD92, an Ankara government postage due from 1922 and

- Scott Turkey in Asia #J2

I say, "appears" as the stamp is supposed to be grey-green but this looks blue on my screen, maybe a green-to-blue colour changeling?

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Posted 01/04/2018   3:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I say, "appears" as the stamp is supposed to be grey-green but this looks blue on my screen, maybe a green-to-blue colour changeling?


Nigel,
"Bingo !" that was my opinion.

It appears to be so "Deep Blue" I was cautious.
I bought the lot at auction for that very reason, I could not identify it, so had to have it for study.

It may turn up in the literature I have purchased.

In the top frame line, there is the faintest hue of green.

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Posted 01/04/2018   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

First Izmir (Smyrna) Exhibition.
1927
Steiner Page 39.




Silver Overprint.



2 Overprint sizes (Or one is forgery)




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Posted 01/04/2018   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely weird. (You'll see nice color picture in Isfila - Scott too, for that matter - end of the Turkey in Asia section...)

Color obviously all wrong. Matches the 5 piastre color almost exactly.

Arabic denomination script - lower right circle - wildly incomplete.

Worst - the background in the middle panel - behind the arabic script - should be white?? Not colored in...

Definitely a 'bizarrity' in my definition. Doesn't look like a changeling - or a forgery. If someone coloring in w/a blue marker, well then they have great artistic skills.

Inital suggestion? Hold up to bright light - see if you can see anything. Then maybe put in fluid & see what appears, if anything. That strange toning on the top along a few perfs might also reveal something?? Anything strange about the back??
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Posted 01/04/2018   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your observations, Michael.

No watermark, full light yellow gum. Lightly hinged.
Nothing held up to strong light. Paper reasonably thin.

Here is the stamp, sitting next to his 5 piastre sibling.

(The 5 piastre appears to have "63" pencilled on the reverse)


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Edited by rod222 - 01/04/2018 4:04 pm
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Posted 01/04/2018   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Any chance your flatbed scanner can do photo negative scanning? Using that method, I've found you can sometimes spot irregularities or attempts to alter the color of the stamp.
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Posted 01/04/2018   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postmaster,

I have a (dying) Epson V200 photo.
It does accommodate negative scanning if I recall, never went down that path, give me some time to find the process, and I'll give it a go.

consideration:
Perhaps some sort of Revenue stamp.
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