The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

And at first glance, (Rod) all your newspapers look good to me. Another wild/wacky story - you do seem to come up with them regularly - awesome $10 lot!!

Yes, sorry, my mistake.

I can confirm that my SG, Michel and Pulko catalogues all list Sc #J67-J70 as postage stamps rather than postage dues.


I think this is just a mistake by Scott.


That surprises me as SG, Michel and Pulko all give used prices.

Thanks for the confirmation Michael,

Wild and wacky ? then you are not going to believe this.
The second lot, I paid $9.05 for, had another 2.

So That's 3 x $300 / $90 stamps for around the $20 mark, plus others.

Just remember, it's not all beer and skittles, sometimes I am up at 2am going through pages of common stamps, being a newbie with Turkey,
I have to check every stamp (The overprinted issues) because they are not second nature just yet.

As you see I still get the A19 and A21 mixed up.

The beauty with Turkey, is, that a lot of the time, vendors cannot take the time to correctly identify all the intricacies of Turkish Philately.

There have been numerous times, I have identified supposedly rare items, as common.
It is very common to see Eastern Roumelia mounted on Turkish Pages

What I would like to know, is under what circumstances the 5 Piastre Newspaper stamp was used.

Nigel,
I'll try and dig out my duplication, I may have used amongst them.
I usually swap used for mint when updating pages.
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Are these the ones we are talking about? or have I misunderstood?

Thanks for the suggestion Rod.

I've just checked mine. I have 21 used copies (10 of the 10 paras, 8 of the 20 paras, 3 of the 40 paras with red overprint).

All of these appear to have similar GALATA CDS postmarks. I don't remember noticing this before.

Given what Michael has told us, I suspect these are all CTO / favour postmarks.

The Galata post office would seem a natural location to provide stamps to dealers and collectors.

Right !
Nice one Nigel.
I was thinking, if postage dues, why the constant CDS cancellations ? I was thinking they may have been used just for normal postage.

Figuring this out is very pleasing, Philately at work.

I'll have to revise my page notes........

Your 20 / 40 paras surcharge stamp at the top right is interesting.

It appears to have a different postmark: PERA-ARRIVEE.

So if this surcharge is genuine maybe this is a postally used example, i.e. as a postage due on a letter.

If these stamps only had limited release Pera would seem to me to be another reasonable location.

Interesting.
Smart piece of Pmk ID there, Nigel.

Why, if a majority of these were CTO, I have yet to see any gum.

The stamp here in question, has that weird looking gum remains, when a stamp with gum arabic, has been steamed off an envelope.

Hi Rod,

I was using the term "CTO" loosely. Perhaps "handback" or "favour" cancels would be more accurate?

I expect collectors and dealers were buying these stamps at the Galata post office and getting them postmarked there at the counter either as loose stamps with gum or in a neat row on a sheet of paper.

Rod

Turkey, Scott 42-43-44 1876 perf 13.5


Have not seen them yet but so many pages !!
They are "dups" I just found in a book (not album). If you need them to fill some spaces, I will put them aside.....

René

Thanks Rene, I'm good.
I have the complete collection, barring a couple of very expensive stamps,
up until the PTT overprints, where numerous gaps appear.

These are a very big challenge.

Great Rod....that was my feeling and am happy !!


Rene

more spaces elsewhere WW

This is the relevant page from my Isfila - which granted is 2011. I'd be curious Rod - does yours say anything different??




I also reviewed mine - a relatively even mix between mint & used. Mostly similar cds cancels like the ones shown above. Mint ones are both with gum & without.

So not just another clear conflict between catalogues, but for a change, a scenario where it appears everyone else - including Scott - is ahead of Isfila. We can add this to our list of mysteries...

Fantastic story on the newspapers Rod! You do lead a charmed life, it would appear! The 2 new copies shown are even nicer - with nice perfs & centering. Not easy on that issue. Can't give you a definitive answer to your usage question - my guess would be normal printed matter - papers/circulars etc - that were heavy & required a higher value stamp. 5 piastres sounds like alot, but not beyond possibility. They stopped at the 5pi value - no 25pi or 50pi values overprinted as newspaper stamps.

Just to compare, the last US newspapers were printed a couple years earlier - 1899 - and had values up to $100...

Thanks for your sage advice Michael,
I'll retain that commentary.

I'll look at my catalogues and report back.
(Still feeling at "sixes and sevens " with using the catalogues, not as useful (yet) as Scott, where I can ping a stamp in seconds, usually)

I'd like to ask the question to the ONEPS folks, but feel I am not knowledgeable enough yet to draft a suitable discourse.

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Heads Up! Nigel.

Foreign Post Offices in the Turkish Empire ~ France

Sc#3 A1 2 piastres on 50c Carmine on Rose. (Type ll)
Postmarked La Canee, (Chania) Crete.
2nd August 1900

A bit of a weathered fellow.

Michael, if you wish a copy of P42, you are welcome to it,
Just pass on a suitable forwarding address.

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Right.
My Catalogues : Specialised Turkey to 1922 only.

They just list every conceivable error and freak that passes their way.
NO prices are given in the catalogue, They reside in a booklet that accompanies the Catalogue.

So..we are talking ISFILA 457 onwards.
457 onwards in the basic stamp is not offered a price / value. Just the aberrations.
The heading for 457 etc reads.....
"Not Issued Surcharged Andrinople Postage Due Stamps, Perforation 12"

So my catalogues only list stamps and prices of the specialised material.
I'll rely on Scott for the normal issues.

PS: I'd offer scans, however the tomes are nearly A3 and heavy, too much risk of damage. Sorry.