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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 03/17/2018   08:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The stamp on the right has two dots over the first "U" of "CUMHURIYETI" rather like a German umlaut.


They drive on the wrong side of the street...he meant 'left'!!
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Posted 03/17/2018   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


It also looks like the size of the "dot" above the I is much larger on the stamp on the left?
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Posted 03/17/2018   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks for those Revenue scans Michael,
Saving up for that catalalogue.

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Posted 03/17/2018   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Spent large part of yesterday, with the perforation guage.
Ay Yildiz Issue.

Found 3 perforation sizes of the 5 Piastres purple (Sc#613)
Indicating the 3 different Printing Houses.
No much difference in colour that I can see.

With letterpress, one wonders how each printing house received the plates,
and was the Type l and Type ll 5 Piastre, a damaged and replaced Cliche?
Was this extra type restricted to one printer?


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Posted 03/17/2018   5:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nice work, Rod
your pages are an inspiration to many members, though they do not say it often

René
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Posted 03/17/2018   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rene,
members do not need to comment,
I get inspiration from numerous members here, extraordinary generosity of stamps and spirit.
Everyone, including the most basic enquiries, often lead to new discoveries.
The best appreciation comes with mere participation.
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Posted 03/18/2018   01:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

2013
Postal Service among the Ottomans:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/po...tomans-58372
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Posted 03/18/2018   03:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revenue: Journals and advertisements.
Isfila #5100

Unknown Handstamp on unused example (The Levant Bulletin May 2014)
(Usually Newsprint and others overprint)
Text reads House of Bliss, another name for Istanbul.



Typical Opts


ebay
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Posted 03/18/2018   03:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chris - all the 'I' dots are bigger on the left stamp. The Turkish alphabet has two different "I" letters - one with a dot & one without a dot. (Drives me crazy! Makes typing on a turkish keyboard & using internet a challenge!)

Glad to see some attention finally on the 1st republic series!!

As it was the first issue for the new government, there were some problems! Printing quality / perfs etc - there are huge varieties/variations in these stamps. Unlimited amount to collect!

I was very happy to see Scott finally add some detail on these issues a couple years ago. (2015? 2016?) They are starting to catch up to Isfila.

The 1st printing was 1923 & both the 2nd & 3rd printings were late 1924 - according to Isfila. For some reason, Scott has the 3rd printing listed as '1924-1926' (?) and Rod is showing them as '1923-1925' (!) Would the real dates please stand up!

One of the reasons I like Ottoman/Turkish stamps is that I don't have to use watermark fluid or perf gauges alot!

One of the key difference among the 5-piastre stamps is the numeral '5' - the one on the left is smaller than either of the other two. This is the key difference among two 1923 1st printing varieties - Isfila 1117 & 1118.

The 500 piastre is one of the few Turkish stamps that I feel is extremely OVER-valued in the catalog. The print quantity is 506,300 - which for Turkish standards, is huge. All of the denominations from 11 1/4 up have very similar print quantities, but valued significantly less?? (The 15k value, for example, had a print quantity of 489,900 - yet only valued at $15/$1.25, compared to the $950/$275 for the 500k??) If you compare this with the total print quantity for ALL of the 25 piastre stamps from the combined Duloz & Empire series, which was 95,680, it doesn't make much sense...

Will try to take some more scans - I have a large group of these, which are very disorganized, that shows alot of the variations. I especially like the imperf ones - no need to measure anything!! (The other key difference between the printings is the paper - 1st issue is thin paper - 2nd & 3rd is thick. Large enough difference that you can tell them apart just by holding them/sight...)

Finally - Rene - we try to discourage Rod as much as possible. With little encouragement, we're up to 69 pages on this thread. Imagine what would happen if we started offering him additional praise?!?!!
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Posted 03/18/2018   03:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Michael,
Regarding the Ay Yildiz issues.
No First Day Cover exists. Release date unknown.
EKU (Earliest Known Use) 25th November 1922 (On Postcard)
May not include all values, just issues that were needed.

Source: Mr. Otto Graf
Vermeil 2017 1st republic series, If I have that correct.

The race is on to find an earlier Date.

NAPEX17



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$950/$275 for the 500k??


Yes, odd that... I have 3 of them, and on one glassine, it had a dealer's price of $28
(Not sure if that referred, in fact, to the stamp within)
But happy to accept $950 :)


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Posted 03/18/2018   04:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Of your 3, how many have cut cancels?
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Posted 03/18/2018   05:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Of your 3, how many have cut cancels?


Interesting, didn't occur for me to look.
Fortunately, none.

Some dealer has quoted $1 ? for one. That's odd as well.

Comb Perfs.



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Posted 03/18/2018   05:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting.

I have 6 - and 4 of them have cut cancels. I had thought the CV was related to a short supply of un-cut ones, but the print quantities - and your hoard (very nice!!) - seem to suggest otherwise...

Another mystery to add to the list...
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Posted 03/18/2018   06:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Random thought :
Perhaps, being such a high value, the PTT were left with surplus stocks,
which were destroyed.

That's one reason I can see high prices, v high number of issued stamps.
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Posted 03/18/2018   07:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That would be a highly likely scenario - one I would completely agree with. But still - given the print runs - and compared to the earlier high value stamps - it would seem they would've had to destroy an awful lot to make them as scarce as the CV would suggest. But I guess that's possible as well?! It is certainly a tough stamp - you don't see them alot...
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