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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 06/24/2018   11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Open for interpretation.
Sc# 69b 1884 1pi Imperf CV$20.

Isfila does not list a singular Imperf only pairs (1000 TL)

Opinion: (Part) Isfila #117ES10 Essay Imperforate Pair.
(The standard Imperforate pair Isf # 117DE11 is a much deeper blue)

Both Scott and Isfila do not price as used (Smyrne Pmk) must consider forged Pmk.

"OTTONAN" appears common with these issues.

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Posted 06/24/2018   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of 2, Key stamps for Steiner Page 5 1884
Sc#73 1884 A7 25pi Black on Beige Isfila#124 Perf 13˝
DOI : Feb 13th 1886

CV $300 $450

One gap left to fill.

Note: I am not comfortable with the shape of the "25" May be a forgery. I have no other 25pi to compare with, also with the dots in the Crescent, I am fairly sure I have an imposter.


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Posted 06/25/2018   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice page looks just like mine .
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Posted 06/25/2018   10:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 06/25/2018   8:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

FT,
If you are able to post a scan of your 25pi, that would be nice. 600dpi?
I can then toggle with mine, to see any differences.

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Posted 06/25/2018   10:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 06/26/2018   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Assuming mine a forgery,
Lots going on, but 2 areas of failure.

No shoot on the Arabesque.
The "g" figure is totally different.

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Posted 06/26/2018   05:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice demonstration Rod!
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Posted 06/26/2018   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nigel, and thanks to FT, for the example.

Getting to know these blighters more intimately now.
1. The "Chunkiness" of the "EMPIRE OTTOMAN" is lacking, common across forgeries (usually thinner type).
2. The figure "2" I really find fascinating, the genuine is "top heavy" but I find very attractive, unlike the forgery, which was my initial worry.

Note the last "S" in Piastres ...radical!

"Poof!" there goes $25, but hopefully I can sell the page it came with, and recoup $10-$15

I'll keep the forgery for my records.


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Hi Rod,

Do you have Andreas Borken's volume on this series: "3. Die Empire-Marken"?

It would be interesting to know if he identifies different forgeries.

My only forgery reference for this stamp is in the general series by H. Bynof-Smith which identifies a series of litho forgeries of this set but these have quite different characteristics to these two examples.
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Posted 06/26/2018   09:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Nigel,

Quote:
Do you have Andreas Borken's volume on this series: "3. Die Empire-Marken"?


Yes I do, Nigel....currently studying it at the moment.

Will report tomorrow.
Thanks for that other reference, will search for that.


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Posted 06/26/2018   8:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

H. Bynof-Smith $65

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Posted 06/26/2018   10:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I think we can fairly safely declare Floortrader's item to be genuine

The 25 Piastre Letterpress ID.

Source:

Handbuch der turkischen Philatelie.
Teil 1: Osmanisches Reich
Dr. Andreas Birken
3. Die Empire-Marken
Hamburg 2016

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Posted 06/26/2018   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It would be interesting to know if he identifies different forgeries.


Hi Nigel,
yes he does, both Letterpress and Lithography.
Excellent work, just the hurdle of the German Language.
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Posted 06/27/2018   04:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod.

I'm glad I have the Bynof-Smith set but I've never got over my initial disappointment at the quality of the illustrations.

This volume is the smallest of five and he covers Turkey and the local posts in just ten pages, five pages of bullet points of characteristics and five pages of not very clear illustrations.

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