The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

Received in fine order thank you P12.
(I'd very much like to be in Stamboul, and tasting some fine Turkish gastronomy)

A note to Nigel /members.
Perhaps semantics? but I question the translation of the Ujreti alinajaktir cancel.

Does it not say "Postage PAID" rather than "postage due"
I can see that postage was indeed due, on arrival in Constantinople,
but would I be correct in thinking the receiver added the appropriate tariff, and had the Ujreti alinajaktir stamped as the completed contract?

Or...the stamps were on the cover when it left Diarbekir, but were not cancelled, and on arrival in Constantinople, the Ujreti alinajaktir were applied.

It troubles me as a "postage due"

In my cover there is only the "Deraliye 81" cancel with a stamboul cancel on the reverse.
There is no "departure" cancel as such.(some smudges but I don't think it's a cancel.
I would go for the version (postage paid) = (posta ücreti ödenmis).
After all the two are not the same things.Why are there Postage due stamps then?

I knew there was a reason I didn't collect postmarks...thank you all for reminding me!

You guys should buy yourselves this set of postmark catalogs:

http://www.isfila.com/english/NSayrinti.php?LID=8

Please continue - learning more with each post!

I can't read Ottoman Turkish so I took the Coles & Walker description on trust. They give the transliteration and translation.

I assumed that the auction cover was handed in to the post office at Diarbekir and forwarded without stamps for payment by the recipient.

This is a guess as I don't know if this was permitted.

I would also guess that perf12's cover was posted in Constantinople.

On a separate point, I see that the auction listing in perf12's link refers to two different postmarks with an "81" code.

I wonder if this is a general type number in some catalogue for these undated triple rectangular postmarks? Perhaps Isfila?

Yes, Michael, the Isfila postmark catalogues would be very nice to have but they are well beyond my budget.

Perhaps this can shed some light on the usage of this cancel.

http://www.stampcircuit.com/stamp-A...d-feldman-sa
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Samokov - Samakov: 1870 Entire from Samokov to Constantinople with Arabic double-circle "Samakov 81" handstamp on despatch (Coles & Walker fig. 63) and "Jeuda Arie/Samakov" company cachet at upper left, the postage collected on arrival by Duloz 1868 20 pa. green and 1 piastre yellow all tied by triple box "Deraliye" postmarks in black. reverse with very clear bilingual Stamboul arrival datestamp

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Rod - on the first page of this amazing thread you posted your Steiner page 4. and on the very bottom left there is a stamp I would like to know more about.
Its labeled perf 11 1/2 for a 20 paras, white-ish stamp with black printing.
Do you have a Scott number of this stamp? I can't seem to find it in their catalog. And I have a similar looking one, denomination 2 Piastres.

I have some other related early Turkey questions to follow (Or I can post in separate thread if you'd like)

It's early in Oz, so I will post for other Turkey enthusiasts too...
So I believe the stamp on the right below is Scott #20 (10 pa).
Then I came across the stamp on left that appears to also be #20 but just cut/trimmed differently? It just looks so much smaller that I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something or mis-identifying both.

Much thanks!

Hi Turtle!

The stamp you're asking about on pg 1 is Scott J36 - it's a postage due. Sounds like yours is J38...

Both of the stamps you posted are Scott #42. The one on the right is obviously a much better copy! Those issues had notoriously bad quality control & printing, as well as poor ink. Hence, versions such as the one on the left....

Hope there's not 94 more pages of questions?!

:)

Just joking - ask all you want. I'll highly suggest you read all 95 pages (!) - most of the questions have been answered...

Thank you mdroth. I am trying to get through all 95 pages ;-) I wish I could search better within the thread. Is this possible?

I have a few more questions... maybe a page or two more. I think I need to look more in the postage due area.

So now that I am looking in the right area of the catalogue ... I am thinking postage due on these 2 beauties.
But I don't see an explanation of the overprint color matching the border.

J34 (corrected with edit) for the brown boarder ?
J29 for the orange-ish?

Or am I way off (again)

Turtle,
Michael has addressed all the queries.
Just take your time, Turkey is a fascinating discipline, not to be taken hastily.
Your postage due, is a common query, I had the same question on this thread myself, early on.

With your 2 Sc#42, just consider (and with all countries) stamps are generally printed exactly the same on a sheet of stamp paper, it is when these sheets are fed through a perforation machine, do you get your examples.

The stamps are "line fed" through the perforator, in other words the sheet is perforated in single lines one way, the sheet turned 90 degrees, then fed again for the other lines. Hence you get all sorts of sizes of stamp results, arising to the American obsession with "centreing"

Nigel,
I stand corrected, I misread the page.
aggravated by my misunderstanding why one would stamp "postage due" on items, that are, in effect paying that very impost.
Now we know this regime exists, makes it easier to understand going forward.

Turtle,
here is Michael's Postage Due 101...............

Good morning Rod and thank you for both replies. I do need to slow down and read. (I do think I have 1 or 2 of your gaps though)