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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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France, Metropolitan
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Posted 01/18/2019   07:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Letter in Greek with Cirpan 27 may 1874:


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It's frequent finding covers addressed to the same person.This one in a Corinphila auction
no. 196-201 lot:8105.
Chirpan-Çirpan 1873: Entire letter from Chirpan to Constantinople dated bearing 1869-71 Dulos 20 pa. green and 1 pi. yellow tied by all Arabic double-circle 'Çirpan' datestamps (Coles & Walker fig.11) struck in black. Reverse with bilingual 'Stamboul' arrival cds. Signed Nakri.

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Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
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Posted 01/18/2019   07:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
So the makings look like Paper Maker's mesh, fascinating.
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Posted 01/18/2019   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ottoman stamp cover Andrinople/Stamboul.(Addressed in Turkish & Armenian)(Sc.39+40 Type IV)
(New Addition)
Not sure of the date.The Stamboul arrival cancel is june 5 77.The Andrinople departure cancel reads 21 Mai 76? (The "6" was was mistankenly placed in the cancellar?).
The Bachtche Capussi oval cancel reads 23 MY 7? Information on this cancel needed.
It would be possible the Stamboul 77 should be a 76...
From Info I found The lianos Type "Bachtche Capussi" Istamboul city Delivery was used
1865-76 ? Can this be confirmed?




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Edited by perf12 - 01/18/2019 09:11 am
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Posted 01/18/2019   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Note: I am completely out of my depth here.
With Postmarks, it's like swimming the English Channel, and I have just left the beach in England.
The Bachtche Capussi oval cancel.

Looking at Coles and Walker, the Pmk defies mention or illustration, all I could find was the following....

Vilayet of Scutari
Scutari: Ishkodra (T): Scutari d'Albanie (UPU): Shkoder 1849
This town in Albania should not be confused with Scutari (Uskudar), an Asiatic suburb of Constantinople where Florence Nightingale worked during the Crimean War.
The oval cancellation of Scutari, given in Tchilinghirian & Stephen's 'Austrian Post Offices Abroad' is that of the Constantinople City Post established by Liannos in 1865.

The cancellation appears common in Auction catalogues throughout the internet. First time I have seen it.


Quote:
(The "6" was was mistankenly placed in the cancellar?).


Opinion:
Not a numeral 6, that is the letter "S" for whatever reason ?
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Posted 01/18/2019   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi perf12 and Rod,

The Constantinople "BAGHTCHE CAPUSSI" (Garden Gate) postmark is listed in Coles & Walker: Part 3, Chapter II, page 34 with the postmark shown as #18 on page 35.

Rod, the Tchilinghirian & Stephen Austrian Post Offices Abroad booklets are old but still very useful.

I have Part Five (from 1964) which covers the offices in Greece but I don't have the one that deals with Albania.
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Nigel
Edited by nigelc - 01/18/2019 6:28 pm
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Posted 01/18/2019   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Update:
(As I read it ) : Coles and Walker

Baghtche Capussi (Garden Gate)

AR2 Type 17 Usage 1868-1882



BV1 Type 18 Usage 1865 to 1875

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Posted 01/18/2019   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers Nigel,
You beat me to it, :)
I was looking for Liannos, City delivery, Istambul Post, etc etc all sorts of text strings................

NOTE : Observe the "S" in the date of Perf12's cancel, and the "S" in Coles and Walker illustration...it's migrated
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Edited by rod222 - 01/18/2019 6:39 pm
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Posted 01/18/2019   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just use the printed books! :)
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Nigel
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Posted 01/18/2019   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod! Sorry for (ab)using your topic, but this is THE topic for Turkey stamps on Stampcommunity. Maybe you will see something interesting here...


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Posted 01/18/2019   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Filipo,
Personal Opinion.
Fairly standard fare for Turkey.
My pick of the bunch

Followed by


Possible forged Pmk (looks like Spiro)

Thessaly
all SON (socked on the nose) would suggest forged Pmks
Dangerous forgeries exist
Everywhere on the internet from pennies to fabulous unrealistic prices


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Edited by rod222 - 01/18/2019 10:10 pm
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Posted 01/18/2019   10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much, Rod! Interesting, I have also first note the same stampe as you... on the postmark is specified "Pazari" which has associated me to the city of Novi Pazar, in today Serbia (Sandzak - a part of Serbia with mostly Muslim- Bosniak citizens)... however, term "Pazar" in Turkish means Market or something similar, so I suppose that there was much more "Pazari" in the toponyms of the ex- Otoman impery.
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Posted 01/18/2019   10:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
on the postmark is specified "Pazari"

filipo,
I never responded to this, as the curve of the Pmk suggests a preceding word.
There are lots of "Pazari"
Osman Pazari
Tartarpazari etc & etc.

A 600 dpi image, or best , may crack it.

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Posted 01/19/2019   04:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good morning Rod and filipo,

The "...PAZAR" postmark appears to be ADA-PAZAR from Adapazari.

The elliptical postmark with the horizontal lines looks like P.I.O. (Postes Impériales Ottomanes) from Constantinople.
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Nigel
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Posted 01/19/2019   04:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
'morning Nigel.

I defer to your greater knowledge.
I'll chase up the ADA-PAZAR

Would have sworn I had that PIO in my collection, alas! only the 6 bar example.

An image from an esteemed collector here........



Spiro Forgeries

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Edited by rod222 - 01/19/2019 04:33 am
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Posted 01/19/2019   04:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bravo! You nailed it, Nigel
The only CDS with the Fleuron.
C2 Black Usage 1896-1899

Inverted Date slug?

Adapazari.
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