The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

Some additional pics of the "Baghtche Capussi" oval cancel..


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(new Addition) This cancel has me stumped.DEREN.DJE or DERENDJE ?

Hi perf12,

That's a strange "DERENDJE" cancellation.

I don't remember seeing round postmarks like this in two scripts before.

I guess it's from Derindjé / Derince but I can't find any reference to it.

By the way, the Liannos cancellation reads "BAGHTCHE CAPUSSI" with a "G" rather than another "C".

Hi nigelc; I wonder if it's not somewhere in the arabian area? No I don't think so now. There is a Derindge port though.

Yes, that's the town I had in mind.

There are two postmarks listed for it in Coles & Walker but not this strange round one.

Possibly a Vapur type cancel from the port? The small box cancel a clue?
Arrival cancel? (The name of a boat ?)

I like your suggestions.

The only steamer marks I've come across have been associated with Crete or the foreign shipping services (Russian, Austrian, Italian etc.).

I guess there must have been many more local ones.

The rectangular mark looks like the standard post office pattern but I can't read it.

My best guesses so far for this would be Aydin, Eghine or Erzindjan.

Here is an example of a railway cancel: Possible ?

KARTAL (ISTANBUL): 1892 (ca.), cover to Istanbul franked with 20pa coat of arms issue and
tied by KARTAL (A&P type 2, RRR) railway cancel.

Page updated and completed.
1964 Steiner Page 43.

Kartal Coles and Walker
(Posta Merkezi, 1298)
BV1 Type 59 Usage 1865-1875. Scarcity 15 =RR = very rare.

BV1 B=Bi Lingual, V =Oval Frame, 1 = No of rings.

Oval v Circular ?

The Kartal example is interesting.

There are several Kartal postmarks in Coles and Walker but not this one as far as I can see, although a similar undated oval bilingual postmark is listed.

I see a number of undated bilingual postmarks from the Constantinople suburbs in Asia: ERENKEUI, GUEBZE, HEREKE and MALTEPE.

Good morning Rod; So I wonder if the Marking "DERENDJE" is a railway cancel?It has the form
with the arabic in the center and the town or "station" name below?....

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Not many train lines in Turkey.This map shows the lines just before WWI.Derendje is not
far from the line,at least it looks like it.

Perf 12,
I am coming from (and learning fast) the same route as Nigel.

I cannot answer that one, the only Derendje I see is this one .......
The only other is a negative seal.
I am only a "Learner Driver" here, Nigel's opinion is the best bet,
I'll supply the images.

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I have never seen those Liannos' stamps properly cancelled before, lovely stuff, and very valuable I'll warrant.

P12, if it is important to you,
I can email this off to O.N.E.P.S for opinions.
Would take a month or so.

I guess the "A&P" reference is to the ISFILA Ottoman Postmark catalogue edited by AGAOGULLARI & PAPUCCUOGLU.

I'll try and have a look at this if it's available in the society library when I next visit.

I've never looked at any of the volumes before and I didn't realise the society had it but I see all the volumes are listed in the catalogue.

I'm sure it will be very interesting to get a fresh perspective on Ottoman postmarks.

Here's some info from Wikipedia which I believe supports the link to the railway:

"Derince railway station (Turkish: Derince istasyonu) is a railway station in Hereke, Turkey.

TCDD Tashimacilik operates four daily regional trains between Istanbul and Adapazari that stop at the station.

The station was originally built in 1904 by the Ottoman Anatolian Railway along with the Port of Derince.

Derince station was closed down on 1 February 2012 due to construction of the Ankara-Istanbul high-speed railway.

The station was reopened on 4 August 2017."

"Derince" is the modern Turkish spelling but Ottoman postmarks tended to use a French phonetic spelling, such as Derindjé (or Derendjé).

(edited to replace some Turkish characters)