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Posted 10/27/2016   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys..Take a look at my Scott 327a booklet below.




Now here is my argument..The stamps to the right of the blank stamps are identified as 327 (single) and 327a (booklet)...That goes without saying.
Now why isn't the BLANKS classified as stamps..Now before every one says NO, hear me out.

1 - The blanks are the exact same paper as the real stamps.
2 - They have the exact same perforations as the real ones.
3 - They have the exact same gum as the real ones.
4 - If a stamp is not perfect and comes out with lets say Canada missing, etc...Unitrade still classify s it as a stamp.

It was printed by Canada Poste into circulation..Why is it not recognized as say 327ai (for blank)..?

Any thoughts...Robert
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Posted 10/27/2016   12:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would think for the simple fact that, if separated, you lose all traceability. Hence, the only way of identifying this is when connected to the actual "real" stamps, and, therefore, the only way that these blanks have any value is when the complete booklet pane (327a) is available. The added value of 327a over the singles (327as) is because those blanks are physically attached. Kind of convoluted logic, but makes sense to me.

I guess one could argue that a single 327as with a connected blank stamp may have a little more value than just a since 327as ...

By the way, it still bugs me about the completely blank sheets that people are selling as complete albinos. I don't remember the exact description, but they have been discussed in detail in this forum, and singles/doubles occasionally appear on ebay and other forums. To me, those have ZERO credibility and even less value. (Just my humble opinion.)
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Posted 10/27/2016   12:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Partime...Are you referring to some thing like my blank Admiral stamps below..??

Robert


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Posted 10/27/2016   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert, must be a quit day up in Canada?
Just kidding, and I have an idea. Why not use one of these blanks on an envelope and see if Canada Post goes for that!

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Posted 10/27/2016   12:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why not use one of these blanks on an envelope and see if  Canada Post goes for that!


Good idea Peter..If I used a stamp with say, "Canada" missing off it and they caught it, it might not go through.

BUT
, according to Unitrade it is still classified as a stamp...Know what I mean...Then why isn't a blank also considered a stamp.

Robert


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Posted 10/27/2016   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These so called Admiral blanks when looked at in mutiples especially in large margin and corner pieces have gum that is typical of sheet-fed wet printings which lastly occurred around 1926.
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Posted 10/27/2016   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Soooo Jogil, you think even the admiral stamps are real..?

Robert
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Posted 10/27/2016   1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What do you call 'real'? Just saying they were printed in period would not make them real errors for many people. They could easily be printers waste; many collectors would only consider them real if it could be proved that that were delivered as stamps to a postal service.
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Posted 10/27/2016   1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jkelley01938 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All the blanks for every issue would be the same. How would you distinguish one from another?

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Posted 10/27/2016   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sdtom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perplexing and interesting problem
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Posted 10/27/2016   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
collectors would only consider them real if it could be proved that that were delivered as stamps to a postal service.


A good thought Don, but we will never know for sure.


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All the blanks for every issue would be the same. How would you distinguish one from another?


Some have different perfs, different gum, different paper, etc.

Robert
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Posted 10/27/2016   4:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Partime...Are you referring to some thing like my blank Admiral stamps below..??


Yep, that's the one. I just don't see the draw in these items, even with the Provenance, which really only tells a story but offers no real proof. In fact, you could take the two blanks from the OP posting, and offer them as a booklet version of the same blank Admirals. (Sure, paper, glue, something different, but ...)

In any case, if people want to buy those things, more power to them.
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Posted 10/27/2016   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This brings up something I've been looking at for quite a while: the non-stamps.
Simple rule: perforated on all four sides.
Like this: (one of my favourites)



I wonder if you all can find these non-stamps:
a) the first
b) the last
c) the biggest
d) the smallest
e) The most expensive
f) the plainest
g) the most ornate
h) the oddest shaped
i) your favourite

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Posted 10/27/2016   5:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good idea Sak. Here is my favourite (perhaps the smallest?):

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Posted 10/27/2016   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi BeeSee! There's one even smaller!
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Posted 10/27/2016   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HungaryForStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, really quiet day.

The blanks are not stamps and never were intended to be stamps. You didn't pay for them and they won't ever pay postage. They were not the result of an error either.

A real stamp with "Canada" missing is probably a real stamp, and someone payed for, it just has an error. Whether Canada Post will allow it to pay for postage is a different matter. Its still a stamp (with an error) and could probably be expertised as such. This of course, provided its not a forgery. If it were missing the denomination, same thing, etc.

If a real stamp was an albino because of error, and you can prove it was not a fake, then you could make the case it is also a stamp. But, I doubt you could make that case without some expert opinion or proof and Canada Post would not allow it.
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