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A Question Re: Venezuelan "Coil" Issue

 
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Posted 10/29/2016   1:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add DonSellos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
My Scott catalog describes Venezuela Sc. 632-634 as "Ship type of 1948-1950, Redrawn Coil Stamps, Imprint Courvoisier, S.A.

Neither the 1948-1950 set or the redrawn 1952 issues appear to be coil stamps. All are perforated on four sides.

Why does Scott designate the redrawn issues as coils?

Thanks.

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Posted 10/29/2016   2:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Don,

I wonder if this has been an editing error where someone has misunderstood "Redrawn. New cols." (or something similar) as meaning "Redrawn coil stamps." where the original description referred to the new colours used for these redrawn stamps?
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Posted 10/29/2016   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nigelc:

Thanks for the reply. Your explanation is certainly a possibility. One argument against it is the absence of any correction over a period of at least two decades, maybe longer. Surely someone would have noticed the description and questioned it, especially close to the time of issue for the redrawn stamps.

Maybe I'll email the editors of Scott Publishing Monday and see how they reply.

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SG makes no mention of coil stamps in its listing for the 1951-52 redrawn stamps. However, I have a Scott album for Venezuela which terms the second issue "coil stamps". Would they have to be imperforate on one or more sides?
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Posted 10/29/2016   11:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Timm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are many countries that issue coil stamps that are perforated on all four sides.
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There are many countries that issue coil stamps that are perforated on all four sides.


I considered that, but the large format stamp? still seems curious.
If they are coils, I'd like to hear how they were used, dispensed.

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Posted 10/30/2016   01:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

Scott 632 - 634
Blanco 665 - 667

The heading for this issue in Blanco states:

Estampillas para uso de maquinas expendedoras
Stamps for use in vending machines.

And there is a footnote:

NOTA: Se utilizó en máquinas expendedores, en tiras.
Note: Utilized in vending machines,in strips

So,if they were in strips, then I guess it could be considered a coil. I assume one could not buy a "coil" as we know the term, but could only buy from a vending machine. If necessary I could try to find out.

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Probably a vending machine of the type you used to find in Britain when I was young - i.e. the "Wilding" era.
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Michel notes that stamps were issued in sheets of 10x10 stamps,from which strips were separated and joined as coils of 1000 stamps.

-k-
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Posted 10/30/2016   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting!
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Posted 10/30/2016   07:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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NOTA: Se utilizó en máquinas expendedores, en tiras.
Note: Utilized in vending machines,in strips

So,if they were in strips, then I guess it could be considered a coil. I assume one could not buy a "coil" as we know the term, but could only buy from a vending machine.


This seems to be the answer. Thanks, jbvec80.

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Posted 10/30/2016   07:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Michel notes that stamps were issued in sheets of 10x10 stamps,from which strips were separated and joined as coils of 1000 stamps.-k-


Sounds like a lot of work. I wonder how/with what the strips of ten were joined, and were they joined horizontally or vertically?

Do any collectors of Venezuela have a joint pair to show?

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Posted 10/30/2016   12:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

Did a little Googling and found:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_stamp (look at Great Britain coil)

http://www.collectorsclub.org/Prese...0Shoults.pdf

The documents seems to answer the questions about how.

Personal Theory:
To me, the only way I can see of pasting strips together is overlapping selvage and pasting the strips together. If one takes a sheet of stamps and separates a row, or column, of the stamps, including selvage, one can overlap the selvage on 2 strips,pasting the overlap together. I don't think it would be all that thick as the stamp paper was relatively thin.

Jerry B


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Thanks, Jerry. I sure would like to see a paste-up pair of Venezuela Sc. 632, 633, or 634.

I can't visualize how easily a paste-up joint pair might be separated when buying them from a vending machine. Given they were prepared in rolls of 1,000 from strips of ten, there should be quite a few paste-up pairs somewhere. Something to look for at the next stamp show I attend.

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Posted 10/30/2016   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Believe this or not, in 2003 the USPS did a test with some coils to see how they would hold up in dispensing machines. The stamp in question is Scott 3785, the non denominated (5 cent) Seacoast stamp dated 2003 and printed by BCA ( Banknote Corp. of America ). The stamp was printed for Ashton Potter, hence the P1111 and P2222 platenunbers, and they had all four sides serpentine die cut. The stamps came in rolls of 10.000.

Peter
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