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Having Trouble Identifying These Cancels.

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Posted 12/29/2016   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys..Any one know what type of cancels these are..?

Robert


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Posted 12/29/2016   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJag to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paint brush, but using ink?
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Posted 12/29/2016   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a postal clerk devised a "home made" device for use on parcels/packages. Probably fashioned from absorbent material like cotton fabric, glued to a piece of wood. This would be a forerunner to the magic marker.
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Posted 12/29/2016   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly a pre cancel, the way the ink runs off the stamps looks like they were canceled as a sheet and then seperated.
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Posted 12/29/2016   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jarnick to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is that he used the brush in the bottle of ink normally used to refresh the ink on his ink pad.
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Posted 12/29/2016   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EasyOne to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jarnick, I think you are close. However, it looks like he actually used the ink pad of a narrow minded postal clerk.
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Posted 12/29/2016   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am kind of leaning towards littleriverphil's idea...old fashion brush used to pre cancel a sheet..If it is, it would make for a unique pre cancel type.

Robert
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Posted 12/29/2016   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have had the same query, for 10 years or so.
Never received a definitive answer.

My thoughts tended towards makeshift cancelling on Parcel articles, where the hammer was unable to be employed.

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Posted 12/29/2016   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok..Are you ready for this..Now remember, I think out of the box.

Here goes..We all know that companies use pre cancelled stamps to get their mail to the postman rather than to a big bin where some one later pulls all those letters out to cancel them on a cancel machine.

Now if I was one of those companies and wanted my mail to get to the receivers asap, and had no more pre cancelled stamps, I would cheat, put a normal stamp on the letter, use a brush to cancel and send it out hoping the post office identified it as a pre cancelled stamp and off to the letter carrier right away..sneaky, but it could work.

Comments...???

Robert
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Posted 12/29/2016   9:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I tend to agree more or less with Rod. My impression is that the Marker Monkey was on the loose again.

Peter
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Posted 12/30/2016   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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My impression is that the Marker Monkey was on the loose again.


Peter..markers were invented in 1952..

Robert
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Posted 12/30/2016   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agmasd56 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I ask why post offices dameged the beauty of these
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Posted 12/30/2016   9:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion - not precancels.
a. As can be seen in Rod' images the marks are not all horizontal, some more a blob. Would anyone sit there and make blobs on an entire sheet of stamp to precancel vs. just hitting it with a line across them all?
b. It seems unlikely a PO would precancel large amounts of different denomination (and types) of stamps
c. the perf tips do not seem to show that the stamps were separated after being marked

I think this was a type of early hand cancel 'marker' (as suggested above).
Don
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Posted 12/30/2016   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
May I suggest that these were used as revenue stamps on cheques (checks). I have quite a few cheques from the 1920s though the 1940s with stamps which have been 'canceled' with a stroke through them using a black wax pencil. I think the financial institutions in this case may have used ink.
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Posted 12/31/2016   03:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Nice suggestion James.
Do we have images?
I noticed with mine, they tended to be higher value stamps, which suggested parcels, but now cheques as well, perhaps.

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Posted 12/31/2016   07:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I have quite a few cheques from the 1920s though the 1940s with stamps which have been 'cancelled' with a stroke through them using a black wax pencil.


I have quit a few of these cheques..Will have to ull them out and check your theory.

Robert
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